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Post by Dalekfodder on Jul 22, 2014 20:54:40 GMT
Even at schools they don't let you wear anything but uniform in ma country.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 22, 2014 21:04:55 GMT
I'm impressed. Your as full of words as a buisness man. Now say tv like fifty times. Please, it would make my day if you could somehow do it.
Science, civilian and engineering have no actual use for uniforms, due to them not needing to be specified on sight, the argument that engineering would need to be is made obsolete that any time a engineering needs right of way, they are in a hardsuit and shits exploding.
Moreover, jumpsuits are fucking ugly. Ever seem a person irl in one? they look like a git and are a bastard to pull off. Now why would science want a thing that's complicated to remove quickly, if, say, deadly acid is eating through it.
Being stuck in the same outfit is sickeningly boring. Just some mild variations would be nice, but considering we already have t-shirts and multiple forms of clothing, your argument loses weight.
Oh, and finally, it's not like people give fucks anyway. Several custom items make people unotable as their own job, and most strip and find skirts, shirts or more ideal colours. I love Leo Wyatt's jacket, but like fuck I can realize on first glance he's a detective.
What bloody hurt is there to a few more skirts, shirts and pants in the lockers. Or some jackets. Or a decent looking beanie. You can't argue naval bullshit when I've seen Diona trudging around in clothspun rags, medical in skirts, security in suits, and heads in whatever the hell pleases them.
We've only got these because the game was archaic and they needed something for you to spawn in, pre-addition of extra clothing, so people looked a wee bit different.
So, unless you ban several Diona, Leo, Rai, several people with custom items, a few people who fancy skirts, or have them fired for misplace of clothing conduct, go lick a grumpkin, majestic-pants.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 22, 2014 21:07:17 GMT
Also, please tell me what a grumpkin is. I'm caught between tiny goblins and giant orcs.
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Post by farcry11 on Jul 22, 2014 21:21:18 GMT
Well Jesus, I don't see how someone wearing a t-shirt and jeans fucks profit margins. It doesn't. Not too much to worry the average business dude. But take a huge production line of human workers, say putting together toys? Now, in their work overalls they put together a (random figure) total of 100 toys a day. Now stick 'em all in something outrageous like a pair of skinny jeans or a formal dress, and they could produce 90-99 toys. This can be because of stopping for just a second to adjust your shirt, or fix your dress or whatever. Or getting irritated with your not-so-comfortable choice in attire. Anyway, the toys are like a buck each and the manager shrugs it off as no big deal. However the guy sitting working out the charts he looks and sees a big big problem. Even if they only made one less toy each, and the toys are cheap as chips, in large quanitity and over a period of time it will make a hole in profits. Give it long enough and it is a hole to worry about- maybe even fire a manager. But see, the thing is, our characters are /not/ assembly line workers. They are highly specialized individuals working on a highly specialized station, and I imagine that due to their relative importance (the Aurora being as important as it is), they would be allowed some liberties in how they dress.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 22, 2014 21:32:46 GMT
I'm impressed. Your as full of words as a buisness man. Now say tv like fifty times. Please, it would make my day if you could somehow do it. Science, civilian and engineering have no actual use for uniforms, due to them not needing to be specified on sight, the argument that engineering would need to be is made obsolete that any time a engineering needs right of way, they are in a hardsuit and shits exploding. R.E: engineers and uniforms. BULL FUCKING SHIT. Engineers IRL have uniforms/helmets/overalls for a reason. FOR SAFETY. Hazardous chemicals. Oils. Acids. Cold. Heat. Greases. Etc. Engineering is the one department that I would refuse to allow leeway in uniform standards. Perhaps a more relaxed shirt/trouser combo for off duty/paperwork. But skirts/dresses/random personal clothing. Etc. Hell. Fucking. No.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 22, 2014 22:12:10 GMT
Yeah, obviously they are wearing that AT WORK. but a engineer is only working 1/10 of the shift. The rest is just wandering about, waiting for things to break or the singularity to eat half the wing and some meandering chef.
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Post by Casperf1 on Jul 22, 2014 22:18:01 GMT
Hmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like at first, Nik agreed with Swats original suggestion of adding extra fancy clothes. Then, when majestic presented his point, decided instead on a more logical choice of alternate outfits; something very, very akin to what security have.
If there are five engineers on staff, and three alternate outfits/jumpsuits for them to choose from. At the very least, one engineer is going to look unique in their own way and the player is going to be satisfied because: fashion.
Is a little variety really that much harm, as long as it maintains a healthy sense of professionalism?
So, I agree with Nik that we should add more alternate, department-specific (so to combat the issue of officers in dresses or engineers in suits, etc.) outfits and jumpsuits.
Though, whether someone wishes to sprite an extra ~15 outfits is another matter.
Edit: I realised I didn't really vote, so I suppose I am not for being able to buy outfits from a vending machine, but am instead for more department outfits. Perhaps even with the ability to choose which to spawn in; similar to what backpack you want.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 22, 2014 22:22:25 GMT
Hmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like at first, Nik agreed with Swats original suggestion of adding extra fancy clothes. Then, when majestic presented his point, decided instead on a more logical choice of alternate outfits; something very, very akin to what security have. If there are five engineers on staff, and three alternate outfits/jumpsuits for them to choose from. At the very least, one engineer is going to look unique in their own way and the player is going to be satisfied because: fashion. Is a little variety really that much harm, as long as it maintains a healthy sense of professionalism? So, I agree with Nik that we should add more alternate, department-specific (so to combat the issue of officers in dresses or engineers in suits, etc.) outfits and jumpsuits. Though, whether someone wishes to sprite an extra ~15 outfits is another matter. It was me making a compromise. I'd prefer just some new stuff, or just any of the stuff that's in the code and not being used, but eh. I ain't trying to start a fight. I'd just like a better range of stuff to dress up my 2D Spessmen.
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Post by Casperf1 on Jul 22, 2014 22:24:04 GMT
Hmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like at first, Nik agreed with Swats original suggestion of adding extra fancy clothes. Then, when majestic presented his point, decided instead on a more logical choice of alternate outfits; something very, very akin to what security have. If there are five engineers on staff, and three alternate outfits/jumpsuits for them to choose from. At the very least, one engineer is going to look unique in their own way and the player is going to be satisfied because: fashion. Is a little variety really that much harm, as long as it maintains a healthy sense of professionalism? So, I agree with Nik that we should add more alternate, department-specific (so to combat the issue of officers in dresses or engineers in suits, etc.) outfits and jumpsuits. Though, whether someone wishes to sprite an extra ~15 outfits is another matter. It was me making a compromise. I'd prefer just some new stuff, or just any of the stuff that's in the code and not being used, but eh. I ain't trying to start a fight. I'd just like a better range of stuff to dress up my 2D Spessmen. Amen to that.
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Post by mrimatool on Jul 23, 2014 3:36:11 GMT
Nik about the need for the uniforms, refer to Chaz's post.
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Post by deatacita on Jul 23, 2014 5:14:16 GMT
I've got a ton of stuff that could be added as clothing ,however. I completely and utterly disagree that they should be added, It's a professional work environment. Why would N.T. even issue uniforms if they'd just allow anyone to wear anything?
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Post by swat43 on Jul 23, 2014 10:45:21 GMT
*sighs*.. People... I see that everyone always think of not adding leisure suits or some other fancy clothing on the station, due to reason it being a workplace. True no one goes to his workplace in a full bloody latex fetish suit in engineering, just becouse "Fuck you, its my style". But you do realise we can add new clothing that is atleast more appropriate for the workplace and is slightly or heavily modiefied jumpsuits or atleast light weight clothing. Of course everyone will disagree to have some japanese scool girl outfited security officers, or engineers walking around in Mankinis. But i am suggesting normal outfits or something that doesnt make people look like man whores or whores when you notice them right on the spot.
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Post by Mr. Majestic on Jul 23, 2014 12:32:06 GMT
Well your intial suggestion was just "more clothes" justified by something about having a fluffy butt in a jumpsuit. So I 'unno. *shrug*
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 23, 2014 12:48:51 GMT
Yeah, obviously they are wearing that AT WORK. but a engineer is only working 1/10 of the shift. The rest is just wandering about, waiting for things to break or the singularity to eat half the wing and some meandering chef. Wrong. Code wise ingame so far there may not be a lot for them to do. But here's some mechanical and RP tasks they can do: Replace broken lights. Check fire alarms Check APC's Check vending machines Check wiring Repair minor damage Check/clean/fix maintenance Inspect conveyor systems Work on the engine testing facility Rebuild toxins bomb range Unlock the barkeeps drink dispensers to get better drinks (soda and booze. Not the vending machine) Additionally if you read my full rant you will see I clearly put in a suggestion for a "off duty" uniform. But yea. My final opinion on this custom clothing argument: A bit more uniform variety for departments. YES. Tonnes of random civillian clothing for special snowflakes? HECK NO.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 23, 2014 15:45:27 GMT
Yeah, but Sammy.
Who actually wants to do any of that. It sounds like the most boring trite ever. As a person whose attempted to roleplay things that have no need, it gets very...boring.
But yeah, I did read it, I just went off on a tangent like an ijit, you know the sort.
I've never thought about fancy outfits, and I'm not sure if that was even mentioned in the first point. I was thinking like jeans, jackets, sweat pants and shirts and shit.
I don't want cat girls wandering around. Plz no.
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Post by deatacita on Jul 23, 2014 16:14:09 GMT
Credit to Susan/suethecake for the ce turtleneck in the second file, also Meg powell for the casual captain's outfit also in the second one. Please do take note that the people available on our server for spriting are extremely limited, and this would likely not be high priority. So unless you feel like waiting (For awhile), this is what I got.
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Post by mrimatool on Jul 23, 2014 17:27:28 GMT
I really have to voice that I don't see dresses as suitable attire for anyone on station, except, maybe the administrative staff. (CMO, Captain, RD, HoS, HoP) seeing as they aren't actually supposed to do most of the physical work but instead to direct and administrate it.
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Post by deatacita on Jul 23, 2014 17:40:56 GMT
Well, I'd say that most civilian jobs could be done adequately with dresses
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Post by farcry11 on Jul 23, 2014 18:05:16 GMT
Well, I'd say that most civilian jobs could be done adequately with dresses Yeah! Bartending, chef-ing, maybe QM too. Other stuff as well, probably. And many of you guys seem to forget these clothes wouldn't be for work time, they'd be for leisure time.
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Post by mrimatool on Jul 23, 2014 18:34:05 GMT
The thing is though Farcry, when you're on a highly advanced space station, when is it not work time?
The bar is for breaks, but would people really get changed for a five-ten minute break?
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