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Post by Casperf1 on Jul 1, 2014 18:55:59 GMT
So basically, I was thinking that we should add a custom title for Assistants, similar to what we have with Medical Doctors (Nurse, Virologist) etc. This title in particular being "Civilian".
This is largely due to Assistant characters, (Selvion Renworth and Amy Tilley spring to mind) joining in as Assistants due to it's level on the hierarchy and the fact that they don't really have to do any work as one would as a Security Officer or Medical Doctor. Now, whilst that's not a bad thing at all (because it does allow players to RP as they please with minimal job constraints) they're not joining with the intention of Assisting people. They're instead joining in to play a low job with minimal constraints.
Therefore~ allowing people to select a Civilian option would remove the conception that an Assistant is there to assist. Because they're not. A lot of the time they just explode and space themselves.
If you feel this is a good idea then just clicky the poll.
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Post by bluesp34r on Jul 1, 2014 18:58:25 GMT
Selvion. Assistant. Lawl.
I'm all for this idea, by the way.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 1, 2014 19:14:07 GMT
I support the addition of new titles, I always do, but me and skull just need to actually implement. HOWEVER I do not support the addition of a title of "civilian", everyone on station is technically a civilian, other the most likely the captain, (Not even sec avoids the the civilian title, because they are not sworn police officers AFAIK) And to be quite frank, you stated it, this title is for people who are coming without the intent to work, and lore wise I do not think that NanoTrasen would pay to send them onto a research station, it just doesn't make sense, if you want to just RP without working, fine, but do it out of game, where you are not on the constraints of a working environment. Remember, even when you want to chair RP and possibly ignore your work, then ingame is not the setting for you because the NSS AURORA is a PLACE OF WORK, NOT A COLONY STATION.
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Post by frances on Jul 1, 2014 19:28:29 GMT
A "guest" rank would take care of that?
I don't think it'd go against our lore, or be out of place. The Aurora is a research station, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for non-staff to come on the station. And since I think most players come with the intent of working, it wouldn't be an issue for our numbers either, nor do I see this rank being abused.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 1, 2014 19:45:23 GMT
A "guest" rank would take care of that? I don't think it'd go against our lore, or be out of place. The Aurora is a research station, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for non-staff to come on the station. And since I think most players come with the intent of working, it wouldn't be an issue for our numbers either, nor do I see this rank being abused. A private research facility, owned by a "private" corporation? I personally think non-staff (excluding investors, inspectors, etc) would be VERY out of the ordinary. IMO a very valid comparison is a teenager walking into one of the US Government's nuclear missile bunkers, or Billy no mates walking into a government lab. the closest thing to this particular suggestion, that I can validly see, would be test subjects.
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Post by frances on Jul 1, 2014 19:50:13 GMT
A private research facility, owned by a "private" corporation? I personally think non-staff (excluding investors, inspectors, etc) would be VERY out of the ordinary. IMO a very valid comparison is a teenager walking into one of the US Government's nuclear missile bunkers, or Billy no mates walking into a government lab. the closest thing to this particular suggestion, that I can validly see, would be test subjects. Except private does not mean evil or hidden. Given the fact that the Aurora is sorta low-security (I assume scientists are under a NDA, but people pretty much come and go, there's no security outside of what basically amounts to station police), it wouldn't be far-fetched for NT to allow visitors, for PR reasons, research, or otherwise. Of course, these visitors couldn't be just anybody.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 1, 2014 20:05:29 GMT
Except private does not mean evil or hidden. Given the fact that the Aurora is sorta low-security (I assume scientists are under a NDA, but people pretty much come and go, there's no security outside of what basically amounts to station police), it wouldn't be far-fetched for NT to allow visitors, for PR reasons, research, or otherwise. Of course, these visitors couldn't be just anybody. I did not say, nor imply that private meant evil or hidden. Security wise NT has naval assets over watching Aurora, emergency response teams, military grade security on CC (a specialy designated military station - NMSS (or NTSS, I forget) Odin) and they are hated by the corporations that make up the syndicate, for their monopolisation of plasma research. i doubt they would allow guests on, for PR or otherwise, without escorts. (CC rep, security officer, captain, head of staff, whatever) same as you never see people visiting labs, factories, wherever, without being escorted. I.e. I went for a job interview at a manufacturing plant belonging to GE Aviation (this particular factory making military and civilian parts, but that is besides the point) and we weren't allowed anywhere without escorts.
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Post by frances on Jul 1, 2014 20:10:16 GMT
Alright, you have a good point.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 1, 2014 20:18:10 GMT
Thank you for understanding without flaming me for not agreeing with the suggestion. i always love love to have calm discussions such as this.
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Post by greenlightbulb on Jul 1, 2014 20:18:30 GMT
What Sam said times infinity. While there are many aspects of the station that make it seem like a colony or laid back kinda place where people can come and go, the reality is that it is supposed to be a secure research facility. Given that NanoTrasen has had a large number of experiences with bombing, assassination, sabotage, espionage, etc. I highly doubt they would allow anyone on board "just cuz". On another note: We're always saying, and most characters say too, that NT isn't exactly the nicest place to work for. Rev rounds cement this too, what with the random pay cuts. Pay cuts that happen, by the way, because the CREW ISN'T WORKING HARD ENOUGH. Why would they allow randos to come on board with the intent of sitting around, possibly getting in people's way, maybe getting injured and using the medical supplies that NT has to pay for, eating the food that NT has to pay for, and so on and so on. Because these guests or civilians or whatever we end up calling them aren't actually doing any work, there is no reimbursement for NT's lost materials, time, and energy.
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Post by Casperf1 on Jul 1, 2014 21:45:06 GMT
I completely agree with everything Samuel and greenlightbulb say. However, I still feel this would be a nice thing for people to have. Even though it is a state of the art, Plasma Research facility, with tons of swanky, fancy things on-board. It is still a game, and ours is of one of Roleplay.
People are going to come on and do a lot of character development and 'chair-RP' as an assistant, without actually assisting. This will continue to happen regardless of this title change, and that's fine. I personally just think that a custom title to something more appropriate would be beneficial. Particularly when it comes to looking at the manifest.
An example being the other day: Armando Elysium joined as an assistant, and a Scientist assumed he had authority over him (though I digress, this isn't about hierarchy). Naturally, Armando refused to assist him. Your point is basically, why would NanoTrasen send a civillian aboard a Research facility? It could be for a number of reasons, not entirely justifiable, but justifiable, nonetheless. Take into account that people may be coming to look around the station, before fully applying for a job there, for example. Or people may be assigning as civilians in order to get a better feel for Standard Operating Procedure and Protocol aboard the station.
My question is: Why would NanoTrasen send an assistant aboard, who refuses, or doesn't attempt to, assist?
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Post by lk600 on Jul 2, 2014 0:26:09 GMT
Like the idea, I see where some of the issues are that have been talked about. One thing that came to mind while reading this over though... why not change the background of the station somewhat? I mean... you tell me the last time some 'key' research has gone on the station?..
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Post by deatacita on Jul 2, 2014 5:05:27 GMT
Intern, intern would be a good additional job title
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Post by incognitojesus on Jul 2, 2014 5:40:18 GMT
Not only intern, but also student. Like, that opens up a whole new dynamic to gameplay, and allows people who are new to the game a sort of easy way to slip into the experience.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 2, 2014 12:22:15 GMT
All I can think of is Hodor, Stable hand, has boarded the station.
Also, I find it odd we still call Nanotrasen a private company, considering it's the ruling force in most of Tau Ceti.
But, I like Student, intern, all that. Maybe, give them an item that they can use with another ID, to give them temporary access to whoever they are interning under.
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Post by lk600 on Jul 2, 2014 12:54:48 GMT
Intern! That was the word I could not find yesterday! I would love that. There have been points when playing my characters where I felt the need to ask the Head of Personel to change my ID to intern at a department, but would have been cooler if I was on the station for that in the first place.
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Post by incognitojesus on Jul 2, 2014 19:58:42 GMT
Plus, and I feel like I already mentioned this but I was in a state of sleep deprivation, it allows newbies a way to learn the game mechanics as well as gain IC knowledge. For example: When I used my Marshall Iovine character and made him a chemistry student, I learned a lot OOC about chemistry and now that gives me a reason to know how to make some of Rai's amazing concoctions. So yeah...and stuff.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 2, 2014 20:15:13 GMT
Plus, and I feel like I already mentioned this but I was in a state of sleep deprivation, it allows newbies a way to learn the game mechanics as well as gain IC knowledge. For example: When I used my Marshall Iovine character and made him a chemistry student, I learned a lot OOC about chemistry and now that gives me a reason to know how to make some of Rai's amazing concoctions. So yeah...and stuff. Oh yeah. I forgot about that.
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Post by lk600 on Jul 2, 2014 22:55:14 GMT
Maybe if we had more YES votes rather than NO... It's not really going to hurt people if its put in, right?
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Post by sgtsammac on Jul 3, 2014 5:54:37 GMT
Right.... So people are now changing their minds to wanting "learner" positions. To be honest, those can be added to the existing jobs, and probably coded to have reduced access to the department, rather than being an assistant position.
I.e. Engineering: Engineering/Atmospherics apprentice Medical: Nursing Student/intern Science: Lab Assistant/Technician Security: Officer Cadet
As for the civilian argument of people looking for jobs and looking around, that sounds more one off.
LK, for your argument of when was the last time we did proper research on station? Theoretically every time the geneticist, or researchers "discover" something "new" in the DA, IT IS PROPER RESEARCH.
It is rather stupidly hard to code new research items to find every round so that something new is found and it is legit new research.
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