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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 20, 2014 21:33:37 GMT
Okay so, this is the topic I rant about almost everything on the server, since I'm getting tired of some BS.
1st of all, the "Asshole so pro heads"
Look, guys, I've talked about this MANY times. And my point still stands, you're hired as head of staff because of your commanding and your social skills, not because you're good at swearing or you're a perfect engineer. Well to a point everything is fine being an asshole, most of us can understand that it is/might be a stressfull job to maintain a whole department however that's not an excuse to do the 1/2 of the shit you're doing. As I stated earlier, NT is a big company and just like any big company it has an IA that maintains the order between the staff of CC/Aurora generally NT... And you know in real life IA -loves- assholes, especially when you're not the big boss... heads are not the big bosses of NT they're just simple employes that are qualified to be a head of staff that maintains order at their station, again due to their commanding skills. If a HoS(for ex) does all the job alone, welp gg he's fired, they'll hire the next in the line made of a million people waiting to replace you. What would you do in an IC sense? You know that workplace complaints is bad for your history and stuff, and it'd affect your workllife and stuff, so ICly you would avoid such... HOWEVER what I saw most of the time was ... " I ERR ASSHOAAL I SWEAR I BREAK BONES I KEEELLL!!!!" THAT'S. A BULLSHIT. GUYS... REALLY, GET RID OF THIS "ASSHOLE" LOVE.
Erhm, 2nd...You are a giant family guys I like it, I like how united you're as community, however that's affecting some of your decisions for ex: whitelists...Whitelist system should be reworked, because players are mostly biased at their applying friends, just becuase the applying guy is their friend, they +1 it. Which makes sense... However in my opinion it's just plain unfair...When you vote at something or comment at a thing, you should remain unbiased... Why? Well because bias is a bullshit that affects your judgment against people. That's why. Pretty much. Whitelisting system should get a rework, and only designated people should be able to choose who's to be whitelisted and who should be not. So far, I've seen extremely disappointing roleplay from the whitelisted people. There's no point of whitelisting if the whitelisted people are bad at this. (Not everyone is bad, there are many, great roleplayers in that group, but not everyone is as good as you're, sorry)
That's it, I'm a person that takes this 2D SPESSMAN GAME seriously, because I'm playing under the tag of "Serious Roleplay" I expect the same from you, cheers.
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Post by greenlightbulb on Mar 21, 2014 1:41:12 GMT
So, so much yes, especially to the whitelisting thing. I transferred from MineCraft RP to SS13, where to even play on the server you needed to be whitelisted. I was, in fact, a whitelister for a while for a server and I remember it being hard to remain unbiased, especially when a friend was applying or someone from the community was re-applying to replace a dead character... I think it needs a dedicated staff member or two to go over the things and approve or not approve things instead of letting the community decide. Just my thought.
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Post by farcry11 on Mar 21, 2014 1:47:22 GMT
While I do respect your points, this seems kind of... Scant.
Does quality role play merely consist of not being an asshole head, as well as being unbiased on whitelists? I'd appreciate it if you offered more points for what you believe is being done right/wrong.
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 21, 2014 6:28:40 GMT
I hear you but when I finished the last paragraph I stared at my monitor, I expected something... However I could not find anything else wrong, I mean heads of staff are important aspects of roleplay. Thats why I think its a major problem... Its also frustrating to see the whitelisted players like this...
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Post by Dr. Carver on Mar 21, 2014 10:59:39 GMT
Alrighty, I'll just hop right in here.
For your first point, heads are allowed to be assholes assuming they do their job. I like playing an asshole character but if you ask most people that RP with me regularly, they are almost always a good head. They delegate and are good at their assigned job. Is it that once incident with Jace that is winding you up so much on this? Almost all heads fall into the category of asshole but good at what they do.
Secondly, I only vote on people I have seen RP a situation correctly so I will always upvote the long time members because I see them do so well in their RP situations. If I haven't seen their character in game, I won't even read their backstory because I won't vote. I'd say that keeps me unbiased.
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 21, 2014 11:11:12 GMT
No no no, the only heads I saw so far were ABYSMAL, they have no idea what are head of staff. Also as I said to a point asshole thing is good to me. But yesterday a ce was like this "MOTHERFUCKER SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON" a perso Like this WOULD NOT BE HIRED AT THE FIRST PLACE. Secondly, silly threatens "move or i poor rrrennnchh in u ass " no no no you got this shit all wrong guys, guys, you work ALOT to get to your positions, you're mature enough so youre made a head of staff. Get damn facts straight please. Its a workplace not a kindergarten with fat bully kids...
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Mar 21, 2014 11:54:54 GMT
In the CE's defense, I believe he was shouting at a character who was a racial stereotype yelling over comms.
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Post by Dr. Carver on Mar 21, 2014 12:01:05 GMT
I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. I suggest that Engineering is put under control of medbay because medbay has best heads.
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Post by farcry11 on Mar 21, 2014 12:02:47 GMT
I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. I suggest that Engineering is put under control of security because security has best heads. Fixed that for you. |
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Post by Dr. Carver on Mar 21, 2014 12:05:14 GMT
I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. I suggest that all departments are put under control of medbay because medbay is the only competent department. Fixed that for you. Fixed your Fix. |
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Post by farcry11 on Mar 21, 2014 12:07:18 GMT
Disregard that, I'm a lesbay. I rest my case. |
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Post by sgtsammac on Mar 21, 2014 12:25:38 GMT
In the CE's defense, I believe he was shouting at a character who was a racial stereotype yelling over comms. I was that CE, and I sense at least two bouts of his complaints about heads are about two of my main chars. (Sam and Steven). What Dalek is forgetting is that all three rounds being referanced were HIGH STRESS EVENTS. Far beyond the realms of a normal day at the office. I'm not defending my actions, but I am saying this, at least get your quotes at least near correct before you try bashing people. I'm in the wrong, yes. But I am not the only one, nor am I the worst one. The feedback given here will be taken, noted and acted upon. |
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Post by PumpkingSlice on Mar 21, 2014 15:13:24 GMT
I'm not taking any sides here (because screw that  ) But I'd like to give an example of a not asshole head that still has failures. I play a character in the form of HoP called Tiffany Kim. The way I play her is to be kind, nice and all that crap (apart from the times I have to break her roleplay because sometimes people love to be major dicks). Sure she's a nice head, but it doesn't mean it always works well. The downside to her being nice is that, it may end up being too nice at a point, in which can affect negatively at situation given. What I'm trying to say is, being an asshole head doesn't make you a bad head. NT doesn't hire you because you're socially acceptable. That's probably the last type of people they would hire. They hire you on your efficiency and work ethic. If you get the job done, you're in. Though they do care for employee comfort, they give, blatantly, 0 fucks about what happens on the station between employees if it's not major. If the work gets done they're happy. |
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 21, 2014 15:59:56 GMT
Mar 20, 2014 23:33:37 GMT 2 Dalekfodder said:Well to a point everything is fine being an asshole, most of us can understand that it is/might be a stressfull job to maintain a whole department however that's not an excuse to do the 1/2 of the shit you're doing.
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Post by sgtsammac on Mar 21, 2014 16:08:20 GMT
Mar 20, 2014 23:33:37 GMT 2 Dalekfodder said:Well to a point everything is fine being an asshole, most of us can understand that it is/might be a stressfull job to maintain a whole department however that's not an excuse to do the 1/2 of the shit you're doing. Yet its perfectly fine for you to start attacking me, or constantly act an hardass IC? |
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 21, 2014 16:37:20 GMT
Dude I have logs over it if you randomly start attacking windows when you're suspicious, you'd be detained indeed. Get your facts straight. Also, I did not mean you with mah words, it's generally the heads in this server.
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Post by sgtsammac on Mar 21, 2014 16:42:35 GMT
Dude I have logs over it if you randomly start attacking windows when you're suspicious, you'd be detained indeed. Get your facts straight. Also, I did not mean you with mah words, it's generally the heads in this server. GET YOUR OWN facts straight, yes I hit a fucking window, but you did NOTHING to try and calm a situation, you just went in and whacked me a couple of times. Yes me beating you to near death was OTT, but I am not the only one at fault. |
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Post by farcry11 on Mar 21, 2014 17:07:13 GMT
Well, this is turning into a shitstorm faster than I expected.
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Post by tuiee on Mar 21, 2014 17:31:05 GMT
NT doesn't exactly care about how their employees are treated. The company is a massive conglomerate, and most of their grunts (which include everyone aboard the Aurora, regardless of position) are simply numbers in a database. There are hundreds upon thousands of humans, aliens, and everything in between working for them.
With this in mind, the events that happen aboard the station do not matter to NT. Not a single interpersonal dispute or vulgar head. Nothing except productivity statistics are given more than a second glance by the company, and if things get done, then the ends justify the means.
On top of that, if you think heads in-game are bad, then you really haven't seen what certain IRL bosses are like. Trust me, the assholes on the station are nothing compared to reality. In addition, I suspect that you're allowing IC disputes to affect you OOCly. It's best to separate yourself from your characters, because if you let what other people say to you on the station get to you in real life, you're quickly going to become sick of the game.
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Post by Covert0ddity on Mar 22, 2014 19:31:49 GMT
So, I guess I'll say my peace here, as well.
I am rather dissapointed with... some... people who do get whitelists. Some characters were never meant to be heads for one reason or another, and even sometimes, the players themselves shouldn't be heads, for one reason or another.
There are some dickish heads, yes. But as Tuiee and PumpKing said, NanoTrasen gives approximately zero percentage of fucks when it comes to employee comfort, unless it's someone important. I.E, a Head.
Another part of roleplay, Fodder, is rolling with the punches. There are dick people in real life, in every job, school, or even if you're a complete shut-in and know nobody, you'll be a dick at yourself beecause you you're a failure. Or something.
What I often do, when people's roleplay is just abhorious and cringe-worthy, is ignore them. Ignore them, and tell an administrator. Granted, you can't do this when the person in question is a head. That's when you just tell an admin.
And, submit ban requests. I know you have, so that's all fine. But poor roleplay IS against our rules, so submitting more against people who don't roleplay well WILL get attention.
Furthermore, I don't want you using accusations anymore. Any of you. If this turns into more of a shitstorm/flamewar angrypersonyelling thing, then I'll have it locked. Thanks.
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We all knew this is coming.
) But I'd like to give an example of a not asshole head that still has failures.
