witt
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Post by witt on Mar 14, 2014 18:02:12 GMT
Using Bay SoP you would be arrested for Vandalism without head approval for the modification. And If you decided to use Skulls in progress SoP you would have filled out a NC Form 0401 ((station Modification)) and a head would need to approve it.
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Dr. Carver
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"It takes surgical precision to sever a jugular before they notice" -Agent Darko, Senior Field Agent
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Post by Dr. Carver on Mar 14, 2014 18:51:15 GMT
More forms? I guess I'll be using lighters more often
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 14, 2014 19:20:52 GMT
I thought you were able to make sense, Carver, really. Look, I stated the two things he did wrong and you're telling me to stop arguing... is this how it works? When you fail at an arguement, the arguement ends by silencing me? Nope. I won't stop arguing until something's done with this. Also, I doubt that your sentence is -NOT- biased. Look Witt is somewhat the worst Headplayer for the various reasons I stated above. I'd suggest an IC job ban that sends his char to a head education program.. For like... 10 OOC days? Maybe?...
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 14, 2014 19:26:08 GMT
Also, it's not stated in the Bay12's SOP law, are you talking more of this "unspoken laws"?One last note: Talked to Skull as I said and he said it's not in the SOP, believe me or not. Also I doubt atmos mods and station mods are the same thing. EDIT: I talked to bay12 admins, they said it's not against the law or illegal.
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Post by yeahchris on Mar 14, 2014 19:38:51 GMT
Time for me to chime in here.
The role of heads of staff and SoP is not to cockblock fun arbitrarily.
Your character can be as much of a terse dickweed as you want, but an atmos tech using atmos equipment is a basic job function. When I play CMO I don't tell the chemist he can't make chemicals and threaten to fire him if he does. I don't tell the surgeon that he can't perform surgery, and threaten him to fire him if he does. Similarly, when I am CE, I don't tell the atmos tech that he can't use atmos equipment, because it's fucking ridiculous.
The letter of space law is such that any modification to anything can be considered vandalism, but such wiggle room is given because we expect heads of staff and security to exercise a little common sense and apply it when it's actually appropriate.
If I see heads blocking people from performing basic job functions, I will make it an issue and see it either stop, or get them out of that chair.
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 14, 2014 19:44:10 GMT
The thing is. He didn't threaten me. He -FIRED- me. Then the captain saved me (<3) His threat was... "I'LL PUT WRENCH IN YOUR ASS" or something like that.
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Dr. Carver
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Post by Dr. Carver on Mar 14, 2014 20:57:22 GMT
I thought you were able to make sense, Carver, really. Look, I stated the two things he did wrong and you're telling me to stop arguing... is this how it works? When you fail at an argument, the argument ends by silencing me? Nope. I won't stop arguing until something's done with this. When did I say I was losing? I was wrapping it up because we began going off topic. That just sounds like you were becoming more and more trouble. The thing is, I understand where you are coming from and if there was no one else tending to it I would say that he was heavily in the wrong but it seems like a classic "You didn't exactly help" situation. I've had to deal my fair share of these people (Although for different reasons) and they have never helped. In fact, I believe I fired some inept doctor one shift because he almost killed someone. The Doctor convinced the Captain to rehire him and the Captain gave Carver the order to, and I quote, "Deal with it." The Doctor went missing a few minutes after. I think that he should be let off with a quick warning and thats that. He didn't do anything majorly wrong other than be an asshole. Carver is an asshole and I get away with a lot of shit I shouldn't so give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Us assholes have to stick together.
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Post by Dalekfodder on Mar 14, 2014 21:53:45 GMT
The thing is. The only thing I ever did was explained with a picture. He's just trigger happy.And you get away with alot of shit because there are no IC complaints section, NT is a big corporate and just like any big corporate NT has a I.A. that keeps track of this asshole. For damns sake guys. How long do you think an asshole can last as head in real life, when there are alot better potential heads for the corporate? A ton of report would make it to the IA. And in the end you'd be observed and at the very last you'd be fired and replaced by a better person. Be a bit realistic and get rid of this asshole head thing.
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Leore
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Post by Leore on Mar 15, 2014 15:21:15 GMT
I was present at the time of the event in question. Ignorant heads should not be in command, and the usual solution to rectify this is going to an Internal Affairs Agent. But no existing agent was assigned to the staff at the time, and the Captain was no help in the 'internal affairs' segment; that's understandable, however, as Gamegod explained earlier. To get to my point, there have been numerous complaints against Jace, the character.
Witt is a cool guy, and I consider him an adequate member of the community - however, that does not explain the infractions involved with Jace Evans, and his attitude which is entirely not suited for a position of authority. You would assume NanoTrasen has interviews with these candidates, and you have to remember they don't accept you into the job for your expert opinion, they accept you into your job for your communication and command skills, as well as bearing the required education for a standard engineer.
The issue with Jace is that he's lacking both of these traits, and only has the more than skilled opinion of a professional station engineer. I concur with the suggestion that his whitelist be taken into question. The moral of the story that we have to take into account is that, as many have mentioned before me, heads are there to make sure their department is running smoothly, not to get in the way of their employees and tell them to stop doing their job.
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Post by pkisbest on Mar 19, 2014 8:30:11 GMT
On the asshole issue most heads are assholes or are seen as it because of they should realistically be able to run the whole department. HOWEVER heads are meant to delegate roles. It's slightly harder for CE since there's only 2 jobs technically. To defend Witt I've been a. Station engi under him and found he has been excellant
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Post by Skull132 on May 18, 2014 13:37:26 GMT
Two months old, no further remarks to be made. Closing and archiving.
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