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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jan 17, 2014 18:20:57 GMT
Poll time.
Also, I don't know why, but do you people hate the police or something? Because we are getting way too many arguments against 'NO THEY CANT BE POLICE' and I can't figure out why, considering cops are fucking awesome.
continue discussion here, I'd say.
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Post by Chaznoodles on Jan 23, 2014 12:34:49 GMT
The Nanotrasen Security force are not comparable to police. They are the equivalent of mall-cops, in space.
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Post by farcry11 on Jan 23, 2014 13:06:49 GMT
But they're not, though... Since when did mall cops have an armory full of riot gear, a solitary confinement cell, and a functioning prison system?
They're police.
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Post by lk600 on Jan 23, 2014 13:09:54 GMT
They are mall cops with a higher price to protect. If anything, I thought you would like the idea that they are not police. Police have to follow government protocol, fill out reports, protect and serve. A company run 'private' security team follows company policy... and we all know that NanoTrasen have 'off' policies.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jan 23, 2014 13:11:59 GMT
But they're not, though... Since when did mall cops have an armory full of riot gear, a solitary confinement cell, and a functioning prison system? They're police. Since they moved from a structure holding shops into a multi-trillion dollar/credit research station. They are not police, or mall cops in my opinion. They are security, private(-ish)ly employed contractors. |
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Post by farcry11 on Jan 23, 2014 13:13:15 GMT
So they're like PMCs with shitty taser guns?
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jan 23, 2014 13:19:27 GMT
No, PMC enact military based laws.
Security is upholding a specific sort of law.
Civilian law.
As in, law meant for Joe Schmoe and such other people. Thus:
They are a POLICING FORCE HIRED BY THE GOVERNING BODY.
This isn't some arguable
Opinion, this is the fact of the game. I can 100% say this is true, with no actual argument possible for claiming them to be Merc's, or PMC, or mall cops or whatever. They are the exact definition of the police.
More to the point, blue is rad you bastards.
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Post by sgtsammac on Jan 23, 2014 14:10:16 GMT
Looking at the Polls red is still the preferred colour.
Now, going back to the dev view point. Doing a full overhaul of everything security related from red to blue would create a pretty huge chunk of work for everyone, from spriting to mapping. So as far as I am aware it will be staying red for the foreseeable future until we all hear otherwise.
- This does not represent the opinion of the rest of the dev team, but just myself and my thoughts. The statement about not being done is to be taken as an opinion until confirmed by Head Dev, Head Admin or Sphere.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jan 23, 2014 14:23:03 GMT
Looking at the Polls red is still the preferred colour. Now, going back to the dev view point. Doing a full overhaul of everything security related from red to blue would create a pretty huge chunk of work for everyone, from spriting to mapping. So as far as I am aware it will be staying red for the foreseeable future until we all hear otherwise.
- This does not represent the opinion of the rest of the dev team, but just myself and my thoughts. The statement about not being done is to be taken as an opinion until confirmed by Head Dev, Head Admin or Sphere.Fair enough. This entire thread turned into me having to repeat the line THEIR POLICE, POLICE, POLICE like a Lewis black joke. |
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Post by subdigital on Jan 23, 2014 20:41:09 GMT
I see nothing wrong with security going to blue, new stuff is always cool and should be encouraged. I don't run the dev department so its not exactly my place to say whether or not this is easy or hard possible or not possible. If we do decide to do this it would most likely be after all the initial map bugs, server issues, and other more important problems are finished.
But I do however disagree with the idea that security are police or "mall-cops". I agree with Sam about security being, for lack of a better term, PMC's/contractors. Most security members are ex-military and yes I know that this backstory is over done but frankly it makes sense. Someone would get employed with a corporation like NanoTrasen, especially on a station like this with tons of possible things that could go wrong, your going to need some form of training. Going off of what Nik had said on the other thread, NT's primary goal is that of a company. Yes, by definition you could call them a government; they hold control over planets, stations, facilities, etc, etc. The role of a government is to help ensure the population of a nation are secured, advancing, and happy. Nt is not a country or a nation so it is not a government, it is simply a corporation.
There primary goal is to MAKE MONEY. They hold stokes over a planet so they can mine it and make money. They are trying to advance there research so they can learn to mass produce new technology and make money.
All in all I got no problem with security going blue although the majority of people seem to be voteing for red, so unless that changes I think we are just going to stay red.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jan 23, 2014 21:03:13 GMT
See, that's the thinking that as wrong, Sub.
The entire issue, is not their past. It is, what they are upholding. There job, is to enforce the LAWS set by nanotrasen.
A PMC is not for upholding civilian based laws in a non antagonized area.
This arguments already been made, so I'm not spreading this out.
THEY ENFORCE A SET OF LAWS SET BY A GOVERNING BODY AND POLICE THE CIVILIANS IN THEIR AREA.
I caps locked this because it's what they do, and this is nothing but fact.
The entire issue is that players back stories don't make the job, the job makes what the players do. Just because every officer worth his lint apparently has some military service for NO REASON other then to have it, they are upholding laws. They are not fighting people who have broken the law, they are attempting to stop the crimes before they happen.
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Post by subdigital on Jan 23, 2014 21:39:06 GMT
All that would make perfect sense if NanoTrasen was a government.
They enforce the laws set by NanoTrasen so there research facility will be safe and the researches on that facility can do there job to eventually make a scientific breakthrough and make more money.
I see were you are coming from, I do. But Security are not police officers, just because they have the same general duties it does not make them police as they are not employed by a government. They work for a corporation that is out to make money.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jan 23, 2014 22:56:09 GMT
All that would make perfect sense if NanoTrasen was a government. They enforce the laws set by NanoTrasen so there research facility will be safe and the researches on that facility can do there job to eventually make a scientific breakthrough and make more money. I see were you are coming from, I do. But Security are not police officers, just because they have the same general duties it does not make them police as they are not employed by a government. They work for a corporation that is out to make money. Once again, the definition of a Corporation is a entity which can be legally considered a person, by law. But there isn't law saying this. Because there's no one above nanotrasen. Nanotrasen is the only governing force in this sector. They own the stations, they run the planets, they MAKE the laws. This makes them a governing force. Also known as a Goverment. Thus, Security is essentially just the space version of the police. You can argue against this for what seems to be no more reason then the fact that cops are usually used as a antagonistic force in pop culture, but they are the policing force working under the governing body of the station and all like it. It's a matter of noticing that cops are cool, man. Space cops. Imagine robocop. But less robo. More space. |
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Post by Spy227X on Feb 7, 2014 15:30:58 GMT
All that would make perfect sense if NanoTrasen was a government. They enforce the laws set by NanoTrasen so there research facility will be safe and the researches on that facility can do there job to eventually make a scientific breakthrough and make more money. I see were you are coming from, I do. But Security are not police officers, just because they have the same general duties it does not make them police as they are not employed by a government. They work for a corporation that is out to make money. Once again, the definition of a Corporation is a entity which can be legally considered a person, by law. But there isn't law saying this. Because there's no one above nanotrasen. Nanotrasen is the only governing force in this sector. They own the stations, they run the planets, they MAKE the laws. This makes them a governing force. Also known as a Goverment. Thus, Security is essentially just the space version of the police. You can argue against this for what seems to be no more reason then the fact that cops are usually used as a antagonistic force in pop culture, but they are the policing force working under the governing body of the station and all like it. It's a matter of noticing that cops are cool, man. Space cops. Imagine robocop. But less robo. More space. NanoTransen and other companies are their own governments but also corporations. According to lore. |
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