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Post by King George VI on Sept 13, 2013 1:06:36 GMT
Because it is currently impossible to create threads inside of the ban request board, I must put it here. I was playing recently, in which Farcry11 was up to his normal shenanigans ( nothing against Farcry here ) and I, as the Captain, was able to hunt him and his companion Max down and kill them, as they were shooting me and Rasputin, I had already been operated once for it and so had Rasputin. So by this point, they were Anti-Citizen one and two. Eventually, I find them, and I end up the more robust of the battle and they both die. This is all clear so far. I then continue'd on, got the bullets out of my chest ( again ) and was about to bless and cremate Farcry's body in the name of Yahweh, when Tool arranged for Jaylee Zuan to have a cultist sword and run into the room and brutally murder me for (EDIT: killing me for her gods, but Jaylee's player had already said earlier she wouldn't kill someone for her gods, that breaks RP in OOC). By this point, I exclaim in OOC that random murder that just occured, of course IC in OOC, in which I ask Tool if he arranged this, he says "Of Course," then bans me for half a day for IC in OOC with no warning. Tool, you need to tone it down just a little, or this whole breaking off thing will be for nothing, because you reminded me exactly of Laser at that point.
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Post by faithskirata on Sept 13, 2013 1:24:50 GMT
I agree that half a day is too long, and arranging murders OOC is really bad, but you should know to immediately go to Adminhelp for what appears to be random murder, not OOC.
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Post by PumpkingSlice on Sept 13, 2013 10:40:20 GMT
Please post evidence of incident in a form of logs. Action is unable to be taken without evidence.
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mrimatool
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Post by mrimatool on Sept 13, 2013 12:47:20 GMT
Thing is... killing in Self defence is griefing.. and you weren't murdered because I asked Trazz to..you were murdered by a cultist, IC in OOC WON'T be tolerated.. I had the same shit from Razor a round or two after, he was killed by a traitor AI and instead of Ahelping he decided to go straight to OOC and shout about the AI.(he got a ban too) Napoleon and I worked this out last night he even offered to take down the thread, but my point still stands you break the rules you get a ban, oh and... USE AHELP.
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Post by Perseverate on Sept 15, 2013 10:48:14 GMT
I have one problem with what you just said Tool... Why is killing in self defence griefing? If you're an antag or if you have ooc consent to kill someone you should be running the risk of being killed in self defence.
In my opinion bans should not be handed out to those who can prove themselves in battle when they are roleplaying someone who has gone through combat training.
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mrimatool
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Post by mrimatool on Sept 15, 2013 16:10:33 GMT
I was going off of Apollo's rules since we only just wrote ours up, and he was banned for IC in OOC not self defence.
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Post by danmageddon on Sept 16, 2013 15:21:25 GMT
By this point, I exclaim in OOC that random murder that just occured, of course IC in OOC, in which I ask Tool if he arranged this, he says "Of Course," then bans me for half a day for IC in OOC with no warning. Sounds perfectly legit to me. Don't IC in OOC, regardless of the situation. Basic common sense. Banning for half a day for it is entirely fair, and should teach you not to do it again.
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Post by Chaznoodles on Sept 16, 2013 15:25:31 GMT
Correct action taken here, by my standards. IC in OOC is never allowed, as it breaks roleplay and ruins the experience for others.
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Post by danmageddon on Sept 16, 2013 16:31:33 GMT
Why is killing in self defence griefing? It's situational, and up to good admin judgement to draw the line. 'Someone punched me a few times, so I flashed them, smashed all their limbs with a fire extinguisher, then choked them to death' is the kind of situation that's considered griefing.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Sept 19, 2013 7:02:30 GMT
It's really quite fucking simple. I made that chart and everything. For murder, it's literally just this. Are they an antag/griefer? Whatever the answer is the answer to killing in self defence. A cultist coming at you with a sword is fairly high stress, and it's not fair to expect someone not to try and beat them to death. Of course, if they hurt you, fucked off, and got caught or are on the run, unless your security, you keep your head down. Your not security, you ain't got body armour and guns. This is all superfluous to the point obviously. Half a day is a tad much, but eh, it's a thing. It's not like a permaban
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