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Post by deatacita on Aug 17, 2014 1:03:46 GMT
Person being complained about: Nysa-Nova Cygnus: Kerbal22
Okay. I'll start with this.
Nysa is not badly roleplayed, not in my opinion really. Kerbal is a decent enough Roleplayer who has some quirky, but otherwise okay-enough characters.
Nysa as a character however is....fucked. Simply language aside, it is a horrifically thought out character.
If you're unfamiliar with Nysa, she is a 7'4'' chief engineer, with an addiction to opioids.
I'll start with the Height. Currently, the tallest known woman is 7'7'' (Sandra E. Allen if you're curious.) Gigantism as it is known, in this particular case was caused by a tumor pressing against the pituitary gland of the woman. Making it release ungodly amounts of hormones that made her grow abnormally large. This is a medical condition, while it might not share the same cause (Kerbal states Genetic engineering). It is not a desirable thing, nor is it practical . Standard issue clothing would be impossible to wear, normal tools would be extremely difficult to manipulate, as not just the height increases at this point. The entire body is normally a great deal larger.In addition to usually being infertile, hormonally unbalanced and extremely 'manly' and generally non-feminine
At heights around mid 7'' the back and legs of an average person become utterly incapable of supporting a Human being due to the sheer height and distribution of their weight. This leads to most suffers of gigantism to end up in wheel chairs for significant periods of their lives.
Now to Opioids. They're some serious shit, the list of side effects for Opioid use is as long as Nysa is tall. And none of them are pleasant. A strong social and professional stigma is held against those who are addicts and I don't really think they'd allow someone with a history of unreliability (as Opioid users so frequently do) be a head of staff, let alone command the station. Many would say the name is a thing to complain about, but I personally don't see that as valid. It's a name, odd one. But it's a legitimate name that someone in real-life could have.
Physically, Nysa is ....odd. With ' Rust colored eyes with specks of gold' Which is, frankly. Snow-flakey as fuck. Along with the 'natural' lime-green anime hair.
Frankly, I just think the whole point of this character is to 'stand out' in a horrifically bad way.
Normally, this would elicit a simple conversation with the person from the staff, but Kerbal has resisted this. Arguing back and forth with administration AND moderators about his character being 'legitimate'. And really, the tone taken during these conversations was nothing less than directly confrontational and antagonistic even in the most understanding of mindsets.
I may have missed some things, as I don't play very frequently. And when I do, i rarely have interactions with Nysa, so any else feel free to add stuff.
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Post by frances on Aug 17, 2014 1:28:41 GMT
Logs can be provided. Not only are these kind of character designs horrid from a RP perspective (basically, people that look more like sparkledogs than humans), but they also go against our rules as it'd be highly unrealistic for someone covered in body tattoos to be hired by NanoTrasen, yet alone promoted to captain.
The age issue was something else that needed to be mentioned here. Nysa is 26, and the reason Kerbal gave for taking the captain position is that her character would end up being acting captain (from CE) anyway (I'm not sure how that would need to happen consistently), which imo does not hold up as an excuse at all. (Also note that 26 is not an acceptable age for a CE either.)
I currently do not think that Kerbal possesses any characters which are suitable for head roles, and would like to question why he is on the whitelist.
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Post by mrimatool on Aug 17, 2014 4:08:53 GMT
Just a note Nysa is 29, I checked yesterday.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 5:12:31 GMT
Right. Time to cut this complaint apart.
You imply she grew in a nominal, 1G environment. She did not. She grew in approximately .3G for a large span of her life-and this has caused her height. If you so wish i will edit it. But. Nysa is 6'8. A bit taller than some of the more taller people i know.
You really think she would admit to taking them? No. Never. I have stopped playing her as Captain. I play her as CE because all too often there are fuckwits in command, which irritates the fuck out of me. That is why i play her as CE. So that Engineering will display SOME Competency. Nysa is actually currently in rehab for her drug problems-after they nearly killed her.
Hair is dyed. Not natural. Eyes are mechanical. Obviously customized.
No.
Actaully i had a very long and understand talk with Yeahchris about this. More of a warning than anything that people don't like me. I was HARDLY argumenative. I stood my ground about the issue but that's it. I never once got into a fighting match or anything with Yeahchris, i never intended to. Im going to pull a little snip from last night about one of your character's flavor text..
As far as i am aware this constitutes a Mary-Sue so much more than Nysa, From what i remember from last night. This is your character. She is perfect in -every- way according to her flavor text, not a bit of scarring or anything, perfect muscle tone, all that. She is the definition of Mary-Sue.
/endrant
Again your wrong about this. From flavor text:
If there are any more questions, feel free to ask. I take my leave now.
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Post by mrimatool on Aug 17, 2014 5:17:35 GMT
Ho shit son Kerbal just went to town on this badboy, also Dea you're character started university at 16, in my opinion that is snowflakey too. Maybe even more so than some eyes and hair.
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Post by frances on Aug 17, 2014 5:53:01 GMT
Gonna reply to a few of these things right away, to save everyone else the trouble. Exceedingly taller. That is not a little bit taller, that is really standing out. The tallest female characters are around 6'3, and they get called out for it. It wouldn't be impossible if you grew up in low-G, but that would likely make it very difficult to visit normal-G environments for an extended period of time, which (correct me if wrong) is what the Aurora is. So that's one crazy trait, albeit with somewhat interesting justification for it. vs Something's amiss here. Additionally, it is explicitly stated in her medical record that she's an opiate addict. NanoTrasen would /never/ hire a drug addict, yet alone let them in a position of power. Hell, most pizza places don't, would you expect a megacorporation in space to? +1 crazy trait for edgy drug addiction. I don't really care whether a character's hair is dyed or the result of genetic experimentation, the matter remains that you have long, bright green hair. As a CE/Captain. There is no way workplace regulations would allow you to do that, even less in a command position on a multi-billion dollar space station. +1 crazy trait because really, green anime hair Rust-colored eyes with specks of gold. Again. Nobody cares about your eye color. Nobody has eyes that should require more than two words to describe, especially when these words contain nonstandard colors such as "rust" or "golden speckles". Their origin is irrelevant, even if you change it from genetic modification to artificial eyes. +1 crazy trait because special eyes are the defining trope of protagonists from bad fanfics. This is something else that wasn't addressed yet, but again, an absolutely ridiculous trait. You'd hardly see a head covered in tattoos, and unless you went to a prison, having your entire body covered in tattoos is pretty snowflake. +1, especially if they're runes. I know another character of yours has some. Facial runes.
So, what to conclude from this? Basically, your character is bad. This isn't something arguable. Most of these traits /alone/ are something mildly annoying to see and a little snowflakey. Having them all at once is just, horrid. Example: I have a captain, who has a lot of tattoos. She's in her late 60s, and has been in the army. It's not uncommon for people in the army to get tattoos, like division tattoos, and even tattoos for the heck of it. Through your life, you could accumulate quite a collection, and if you get promoted to captain, so be it. They show experience. History. Worldliness, maybe. But to have your entire body covered in tattoos at 27 (it WAS 26 or 27, you changed it to 29 - which btw is still not acceptable for a head), makes you look like, a criminal, or a science project. Now, to have your entire body covered in tattos, and green anime hair, AND color-changing special eyes, AND a drug addiction, AND being unnaturally tall (and not just super tall, like mutant tall), is just too much. I think that constitutes poor RP. That's all there is. So to answer then yes, the point of your character is to stand out. I'm certain you didn't mean for her to be bad (unless you are a horrifically elaborate troll, in which case bravo), but the point remains that these traits are not interesting. They are overdone in /teenage fanfiction/, and simply don't have their place here in any justifiable manner, and certainly not on a head character, a character who is supposed to be an example of what is good roleplay to all.And lastly: Pot calling the kettle black. This is your player complaint, not Dea's. Whatever anyone else is doing on an individual basis with their characters is completely irrelevant to this, and doesn't justify at all what you are doing. If Dea's character is a Mary Sue, then yours is this: i.imgur.com/VCHckfa.jpgI spent way too long writing this. Edit: Later found out that she also has [cobalt-blue] lip and nose piercings, as well as "extremely pale" skin. More arguments for the snowflake issue, I guess.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 5:58:08 GMT
Yes, yes you did. If you hate her so much, il just kill her off. K?
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Post by frances on Aug 17, 2014 6:00:55 GMT
Yes, yes you did. If you hate her so much, il just kill her off. K? I feel like this is a very childish way to respond to my post.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:03:00 GMT
It's pretty much what you want me to do-considering i would have to change everything about Nysa to fit in to what you people want. So, only option is to get rid of her.
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Post by frances on Aug 17, 2014 6:08:05 GMT
It's pretty much what you want me to do-considering i would have to change everything about Nysa to fit in to what you people want. So, only option is to get rid of her. Change everything? These are not defining traits. These are your character's appearance. If you can only define your character with the use of blatantly unnatural physical traits, then you have failed at understanding th purpose of roleplaying once again.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:16:52 GMT
Her appearance IS her defineing traits. Jesus-fucking-christ. I would have to remake her entire appearance and personality which has been influenced by said appearance. If you do not understand that then i can't make it any clearer.
Blatantly unnatural? Dying your hair is unnatural? Having replacement eyes instead of being blind is unnatural? Having tattoes is unnatural? You people obviously don't care to find out how this all happened to her, you don't even try to ask about her backstory.
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Post by halorocks22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:18:24 GMT
I'd like to say that even if you can justify your character's traits, it's generally frowned upon to make a character abnormal just to attract attention. This is a point Yeahchris made while you two were having that conversation.
If you want to attract attention to yourself, I suggest you do that by preforming good RP and being unique. And no, unique does not mean giving yourself anime hair.
EDIT: Although I'm not trying to bash on your roleplaying abilities or anything, I'd also like to say that your Captain char doesn't seem to be very professional from what I've observed. It seems to me that you are playing her more as a disgruntled teenager with power rather than the calm, logical person with experience she should be. No offense to Keinto, but I've seen Roy act like this as well (I think he did say he wouldn't use Roy as CE anymore though, so that may be irrelevant.)
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Post by Less on Aug 17, 2014 6:32:29 GMT
Blatantly unnatural? Dying your hair is unnatural? Having replacement eyes instead of being blind is unnatural? Having tattoes is unnatural? You people obviously don't care to find out how this all happened to her, you don't even try to ask about her backstory. Kerbal, it's your responsibility to show us, or even present the full backstory anywhere. It is not our job to actively look for justification for these apparently shallow surface features which, one at a time, might be reasonable, but all at once, for such a young character, immediately lose all credibility. If you want to write up her story and post it, by all means do so, but you can't just assume that everyone will want to pry backstory out of you for a character that would be, at first impressions, an outright snowflake.
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Post by frances on Aug 17, 2014 6:38:28 GMT
I get your intention, I think. But in addition to what's been said, one more thing.
Wrong place, wrong time.
I get that you want to play a character who tries to look like a freak (or just unnatural), to distinguish or distance herself from others (at least I think that's the point). Take Jack from Mass Effect, from instance. She's a child-test subject turned criminal, and she's covered in body tattoos with shaved head, as well as pretty rejecting of others. But not only does her design actually look good (again pretty much inarguable, your character's design is of poor quality for the reasons everyone keeps repeating), but Jack is actually part of a rag-tag band of mercenaries and self-proclaimed heroes on a desperate mission to save the universe. She doesn't work as the CEO (or CE) of Industrial Alliance, or whatever other corporation you can think of.
End of the line, even if her design was dramatically approved, you can't have a character full of crazy body mods on Aurora. They just wouldn't get hired, and since that makes no sense ICly, it makes her stick out like a sore thumb.
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Post by mrimatool on Aug 17, 2014 6:42:28 GMT
Ffrances it appears you're wasting your time. Kerbal just put up a thread saying he's leaving Aurora, 'Possibly forever'.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:46:28 GMT
Pretty much because of all this, yeah. Because i had actually put Alot of work into Nysa, and you all just shat on it.
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Post by halorocks22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:49:16 GMT
Kerbal, we're "shitting" on your character for good reason. If you could simply read and think about what's been said here, I think you could understand what we're trying to say and come up with a better solution than leave us forever.
However, that being said, ultimately it's your choice over what you decide to do.
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Post by kerbal22 on Aug 17, 2014 6:51:11 GMT
I have read it, and i have though about it. But, to put it simply.
You have looked at something i have worked hard on, and said, "This is a steaming pile of shit."
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Post by mrimatool on Aug 17, 2014 6:55:41 GMT
Dea can come off as abrasive I know Kerbal, trust me, she's critiqued my work before too. The point is to not take it personally. And for Dea and the rest, while you guys have valid arguments and points, a lot of what you said was 'this is bad' 'this is awful' and when someone has worked on something, I don't think you understand how you can hurt their feelings with that. Ok, now how about we all calm down hey?
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Post by halorocks22 on Aug 17, 2014 7:01:47 GMT
I have read it, and i have though about it. But, to put it simply. You have looked at something i have worked hard on, and said, "This is a steaming pile of shit." You should realize that it is our duty to point out bad RP when we see it. As pointed out several times in this thread, your character is just unrealistic. It's simple as that, and while we were pointing it out I don't think any of us deliberately tried to insult you if you think we did. Changing a couple of lines in your character's records and flavor text is hardly destroying your work. Your character has flaws, and if you'd rather adopt the mindset of "I WANT MY GUY TO BE LIKE THIS, NO EXCEPTIONS!" over simply fixing them then I believe it's pointless to argue. If you want to leave, you can. But remember that you're doing this to yourself.
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