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Post by nikolaithebeast on Aug 15, 2014 16:42:13 GMT
The average laser weapon only does twenty, if I so recall, and it doesn't have the ability to fire variances of bullets that are progressively more or less useful in certain situations.
And it's still more advanced then the small car sized chem lab which can turn blank material into anything. And it eats power like a hungry shoggoth.
And this thing is hand held and can format bullets from the ether using power. They may be pellet sized bullets, but creating lead from air is far more impressive then turning wood into gold, and it doesn't even have a philosophers stone inside it.
Unless it does. Then make it deconstructable to obtain the stone so Rai can begin some crazy alchemy nonsense. I demand my ability to wield dredds guns ability to break the laws of transmutation.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Aug 15, 2014 16:43:52 GMT
Hue. Sue's right about the fact that Lawgivers use a universal clip loaded with unspecialized projectiles. Think thermal clips in the Mass Effect universe, which allow all sorts of different weapons to fire vastly different projectiles. But you have to pick up the mags. You can't create lead from air. Unless we are actually taking my transmutation stick to heart. I'd approve of Philosopher stones, on a side note.
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Post by incognitojesus on Aug 15, 2014 16:47:40 GMT
Solution: Bluespace. When in doubt, Bluespace.
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 16:57:03 GMT
High ex does approximately 32 damage per shot, more given special circumstances. It has a low chance to knock out, and though I don't have an exact percentage, it only happened about one in ten times when I shot mobs/myself with it. It also eats the gun's energy really, really fast. You are, in fact, going to kill more people faster with single-shot. Which shoots slower than an SMG's single shot.
The only area where it excels over any other gun is when it's on stun. Because then it's a taser with a pretty big battery. And we already have that. It's called the energy carbine. And it's not that bad.
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 17:07:21 GMT
The average laser weapon only does twenty, if I so recall, and it doesn't have the ability to fire variances of bullets that are progressively more or less useful in certain situations. And it's still more advanced then the small car sized chem lab which can turn blank material into anything. And it eats power like a hungry shoggoth. And this thing is hand held and can format bullets from the ether using power. They may be pellet sized bullets, but creating lead from air is far more impressive then turning wood into gold, and it doesn't even have a philosophers stone inside it. Unless it does. Then make it deconstructable to obtain the stone so Rai can begin some crazy alchemy nonsense. I demand my ability to wield dredds guns ability to break the laws of transmutation. The average laser weapon does forty. Not twenty. And you're fluff nitpicking again. That's literally only there because it's a tremendous pain to code a ballistic weapon that can switch firemodes. I could. But I'd have to basically rewrite the entire gun code and it would break every gun in the game, and then I'd have to fix them all.
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Post by frances on Aug 15, 2014 17:12:48 GMT
Hue. Sue's right about the fact that Lawgivers use a universal clip loaded with unspecialized projectiles. Think thermal clips in the Mass Effect universe, which allow all sorts of different weapons to fire vastly different projectiles. This exactly. If you're worried about energy weapons shooting projectiles, think of the ME1 weapon lore, where small arms use vast amounts of energy to shoot tiny projectiles (of which you could fit a loooot) through a mass driver, which is the main source of power consumption (and thus the limit on ammo).
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Post by incognitojesus on Aug 15, 2014 17:40:50 GMT
In other words, Bluespace.
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Post by frances on Aug 15, 2014 17:48:56 GMT
In other words, Bluespace. It's not bluespace, there's no need for transmutation or interdimensional travel. But anyway, I think these are all minute concerns the lore should not be preoccupying itself with, as they can all be weaved in relatively easily. Rather, lore devs should keep an eye out for big, jarring things, such as space clown dictators or planets made out of pudding, not the shape of a pistol.
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Post by gollee on Aug 15, 2014 18:51:59 GMT
I /could/ make a scientifically sound write up for the way this works, I would prefer to wait to see if this is added or not, but if you want me to, I can give it a shot.
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Post by Mr. Majestic on Aug 15, 2014 22:52:13 GMT
BUT YOU JUST CAN'T. It's really gonna annoy the shit out of me if it stays the same: "Lul no jus need powar den we gets bullets" If you really wanna push the BS science levels that far out do something that could maybe possibly sorta never quite but kinda make sense. Like super super super super duper compressed matter that's used to make the bullets. Even though that would theoretically make it heavy as shit.
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Post by gollee on Aug 15, 2014 23:04:30 GMT
Or you could use shaped energy charges contained with a remote field generator, similar to how the Covenant in Halo direct their ship-based plasma artillery,
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Aug 16, 2014 11:44:09 GMT
As I said, The entire validity of the Mass Effect Thermal cartridges was that you had to pick the dang things up.
There isn't any scientific way a device that can be shoved in your pants can form material with a power cell inside itself, without making every piece of tech on the ship look like Walk-mans against your MP3.
And that's still A LOT of damage, that's also able to do multiple things.
And we it's not nitpicking about fluff. This device is way past the apparent level of sci-fi tech on board or even given to officals. And if we don't try to keep to logical fluff, everything begins to turn into BestRP.
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Aug 16, 2014 11:55:37 GMT
Niko, what's the big deal? If you don't want them rechargeable, fine, just make it that universal clips can be protolathed at a high cost.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Aug 17, 2014 12:14:25 GMT
If they had ammo then I wouldn't give a flying snakes tail about this gun. Still don't think it would have any value on station, however. We have enough guns as is, and then we will have people raiding everywhere more often so science can run around screaming I AM THE LAAAAW like ijits.
But yeah ammo.
And Rusty, If we are going to have like ten continuity errors due to tech, we don't need a eleventh.
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Post by farcry11 on Aug 18, 2014 20:41:22 GMT
That feeling when people are complaining about the scientific validity of the Lawgiver in a universe that contains Eldritch gods and wizards. Fucking wizards.
Just get off the logic high horse and have some fun.
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