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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 18:01:21 GMT
Hiya! So, me and several members of the lore team have been having a discussion about our lore. Several of us feel that it's just simply....not good? maybe that's not the best way to describe it, but it's a mess either way. With suggestions from several people and input from several more, I've written up an extensive redux to our background lore. However, since this is an important thing that will effect...everyone? It's been decided to put it up here. For the community to vote on. And before I give the link, I can already see an argument against it. That it would simply inconvenience players too much, and that might be so. But personally I believe that inconveniencing you all is something that you all can kind of deal with. For this is replacing a mediocre? patched together part of our beautiful server with someone purposely written with direction. Vote and explain your views on it please, don't just vote 'no' or 'yes' and not say anything. docs.google.com/document/d/1_aVsdBqCMNvVL2i99zM3RXjy0xrPcYxE8A9N49WNAV8/editAnd do ignore the account used for it's creation, I made it with an alt email and didn't feel like changing it over. |
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 18:04:24 GMT
I, for one am certaintly pro replacing the byzantine mess that is our current lore. It's just disorganized and confusing to players and is quite directionless in it's 'background' and story. I feel a more sleek, organized lore like this that is more....defined would benefit character creation and roleplay in the future. I just think that a minor inconvenience like redoing the background of some characters would be something worth going through if it improves our lore and our community.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 25, 2014 18:25:39 GMT
I'm against this. Even though it's decent lore, changing the base part of our lore, could, and would affect many characters, places and even things in game, and it's frankly not worth it.
It would also force people who are new to have to learn an entirely new basic lore for the entire universe, and this would scare away any new players, as having to read a small story just to pretend to be a 2D spessmen is not worth the overall effort, I think.
Frankly, I think that our lore is fine as is, and it's at least competent enough that we can work with it. I'm probably wrong, since I'm apparently a fucking idiot. So, eh, Vote away above on that vote button thingy.
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mrimatool
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Post by mrimatool on Jul 25, 2014 18:26:34 GMT
I like this, but I'm not for it, for reasons I stated in the Lore Team Skype chat.
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Post by mocheeze on Jul 25, 2014 19:48:42 GMT
+1,I support this because, while one may have to gently adjust their characters backstory, there's more claritity and conciseness about this. I think it's a little sacrifice worth the organization.
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Post by Mikalhvi on Jul 25, 2014 19:51:19 GMT
+1, I fully support the concept of having lore to go on. Unless it highly deviates from whatever the fuck we have now (can someone point me to it? o.o) and alters how the game is played, then nobody is required to learn it.
Besides, for someone like me? Knowing lore, known locations, where the inhabited planets are and what they're like helps me write better characters. Example: Because I didn't know where and what planets existed, I couldn't say where any of my characters hailed from.
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Post by subdigital on Jul 25, 2014 20:01:37 GMT
+1, I fully support the concept of having lore to go on. Unless it highly deviates from whatever the fuck we have now (can someone point me to it? o.o) and alters how the game is played, then nobody is required to learn it.
Besides, for someone like me? Knowing lore, known locations, where the inhabited planets are and what they're like helps me write better characters. Example: Because I didn't know where and what planets existed, I couldn't say where any of my characters hailed from. Point you to the lore? Have you looked at the fourms? There's a entire section called LORE with all manner of things on it. I see both sides of this and generally would be a pain since some of my characters entire story is basicaly backed up by our lore...but I do like new things. Mainly going to wait to see what the other lore guys (Sam and Gollee) think on new lore before I really give an opinion. But unless something drastic changes I do like our lore. It's not that hard to follow really. |
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Post by mirkoloio on Jul 25, 2014 20:01:46 GMT
I am going for a nope on this. As I see it there are tons of work in the lore, tons of work. Also, Gollee would destroy us if we ditch the lore
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 20:02:17 GMT
I am going for a nope on this. As I see it there are tons of work in the lore, tons of work. Also, Gollee would destroy us if we ditch the lore That's hilarious, this was Gollee's idea Also, you seem to be ignoring the fact that time put in doesn't = Quality work. This lore is good, it is. But it's patchwork, confusing and quite disorganized. It's annoying to work with and few people I know have even bothered reading it. Something needs to be done about it either way. |
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Post by mirkoloio on Jul 25, 2014 20:05:47 GMT
Wow, okay. I heard his say he would destroy us if we do, some time ago though. If I recall correctly. xD. Still, I like the lore as it is.
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 20:08:26 GMT
+1, I fully support the concept of having lore to go on. Unless it highly deviates from whatever the fuck we have now (can someone point me to it? o.o) and alters how the game is played, then nobody is required to learn it.
Besides, for someone like me? Knowing lore, known locations, where the inhabited planets are and what they're like helps me write better characters. Example: Because I didn't know where and what planets existed, I couldn't say where any of my characters hailed from. Point you to the lore? Have you looked at the fourms? There's a entire section called LORE with all manner of things on it. I see both sides of this and generally would be a pain since some of my characters entire story is basicaly backed up by our lore...but I do like new things. Mainly going to wait to see what the other lore guys (Sam and Gollee) think on new lore before I really give an opinion. But unless something drastic changes I do like our lore. It's not that hard to follow really. Sub, she was refering to the ACTUAL lore Doc that shows everything that's happened. That is -not- on the forums. |
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Post by subdigital on Jul 25, 2014 20:12:12 GMT
Point you to the lore? Have you looked at the fourms? There's a entire section called LORE with all manner of things on it. I see both sides of this and generally would be a pain since some of my characters entire story is basicaly backed up by our lore...but I do like new things. Mainly going to wait to see what the other lore guys (Sam and Gollee) think on new lore before I really give an opinion. But unless something drastic changes I do like our lore. It's not that hard to follow really. Sub, she was refering to the ACTUAL lore Doc that shows everything that's happened. That is -not- on the forums. Rusty's post |
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 20:12:38 GMT
Ah, didn't see that. Sorry then
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Post by incognitojesus on Jul 25, 2014 20:20:07 GMT
From what I've seen, the new lore could be developed more. Perhaps when it reaches the size of our current lore, then it'd be easier to implement. It seems a bit rushed, as well. It changes, like Nik said, the base part of our lore and in doing so affects many characters, places, everything. It's also a bit confusing to follow, but I'll actually sit down and read this more later. In the meantime, I'll just be neutral about this as I prefer not to give a set position without analyzing it further.
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Post by subdigital on Jul 25, 2014 20:21:41 GMT
No need to say sorry ^_^ it's all good. I only knew how I get to it so fast that because I know it's there. Anyway, back on topic. I get that our lore is a bit disorganized, but that in no way means it's bad. A bit organization I can agree with. Although completely changing it isn't needed. If you look around the lore, there is A LOT of work in there.
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 20:25:00 GMT
From what I've seen, the new lore could be developed more. Perhaps when it reaches the size of our current lore, then it'd be easier to implement. It seems a bit rushed, as well. It changes, like Nik said, the base part of our lore and in doing so affects many characters, places, everything. It's also a bit confusing to follow, but I'll actually sit down and read this more later. In the meantime, I'll just be neutral about this as I prefer not to give a set position without analyzing it further. It's shorter purposely, making it more accessible to the average player. I certainty plan for much more to be added in the future as additions, edits and other such things. But I saw no point in writing more than this much only for it to be denied, and the people I'd shown it to such as Nightmare, Gollee, Pump and several others had provided nothing but positive comments. So I figured I'd finish this, present it and if added i'd add significantly more as supporting materials as I focused it solely on the overall history and not specific events. I've converted everything else I've created for Aurora into a form that fits perfectly without much fuss as well. I'd be willing to do such for the rest of the lore with the lore-team's support of course. But this'll have to be added first. |
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Post by deatacita on Jul 25, 2014 20:27:03 GMT
No need to say sorry ^_^ it's all good. I only knew how I get to it so fast that because I know it's there. Anyway, back on topic. I get that our lore is a bit disorganized, but that in no way means it's bad. A bit organization I can agree with. Although completely changing it isn't needed. If you look around the lore, there is A LOT of work in there. The conclusion that I and Gollee reached was, If i recall correctly. That it was a "Byzantine Nightmare" that wouldn't be worth the effort and time to repair it and organize. It was judged that it'd be simpler to just discard and redo. |
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Post by Nightmare on Jul 25, 2014 20:32:29 GMT
I like the new lore, I don't think too much would have to change character wise, and its easier to follow. For me anyway
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Post by PumpkingSlice on Jul 25, 2014 20:35:34 GMT
I personally was positive about the new lore, simply because I understood it much better and the events appeared more in depth then previous. I specifically like the work done on the factions.
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Post by gollee on Jul 25, 2014 20:40:45 GMT
I am of the opinion that the current lore, as Dea rightly put it, is a Byzantine Nightmare, however, no changes will be made to the current lore without acceptance from the community, as the lore is a community project.
This new lore is currently a prototype, and it will not be accepted until the community, the lore team, the top server people (Skull, Chris and the like) are all happy. Any worries, questions, suggestions, complaints, anything you want adding or editing or otherwise modifying, please PM one of the lore team, who consist of Dea, Tool, Nikolai, Voltage, Covert, Kiento, Rusty, (Sam), (Skull) or myself, with the issue, and we will collaborate with you to smooth it out, ensuring everyone is happy with this new lore if it is to be implemented.
As a side note, Dea did this work voluntarily, and did one hell of a job reorganising and streamlining that damn thing, with minimal oversight from me. I think she did a great job on it, and even if this isn't accepted, she has done an amazing job.
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