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Post by im8lol on May 12, 2014 3:50:25 GMT
Not necessarily, when has the law stopped a criminal from breaking it?
On top of that, aproximately ANY video on youtube would be meta in the SS13 universe.
Do you think the admins want to check each stereo every five minutes to see what the current link goes to?
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Post by Less on May 12, 2014 3:59:36 GMT
Okay well perhaps I should provide you with this "Counter arguement". A stereo object, if for all intents and purposes were to function the way /you/ described it would, you essentially have a static item which would have to be mapped in to the game, which would then sit there, and at the best have a function to exicute when it's examined that would print a URL to the client of whoever clicked it, linking them off the game, to their own browser which they would already have open, and presumably on to youtube (Because allowing it to link under any other domains could be even further abusable) where it would open a youtube video. And not even just music, it would be a video, potentially of any sort, in their browser that they're using in the background anyway, through an IC items, going not just out of character but entirely out of the game to something meta. I get some people want a way to share their music and videos man but come on, and IC "Stereo" object that prints links to people and opens their browser to videos isn't the way to do it. Can't you just say "Hey check this out" or something? Wouldn't necessarily have to be mapped into one spot! It could be like, a large draggable item, or a space boombox or whatever, and therefore portable or able to be stored in a locker when not in use. I can see your point about abuse, but anything that you'd have a problem with stereos, I don't see why it wouldn't be a problem otherwise. Most things on Aurora, RP-wise are done in good faith, but we do have rules (and the mods and admins to enforce them) for good reason. If people were spamming (already against the rules) or abusing and posting bad links, we'd make them to stop. I guess, theoretically, it could be an item with restricted access (by job or something) or only able to be spawned by admins on request. And that's assuming this hypothetical item even were to get made and coded in. The point of the stereo would not be, "hey, check out dis cool vids guys". It'd be so, ICly, characters who aren't strictly headmins can put on IC music. It'd be roleplayed out that the music was playing, same as people sometimes do even without having an item for it. Making up that pAI or PDAs can play music, for example, and posting the link. Personally, I enjoy when other people do that. And it's entirely your right not to. There is nothing that says you have to click the link. ..And yes, we don't have music from 2456, so yes, it's going to be a little bit meta that they're listening, IC, to music from all the way back in the 21st and 20th centuries. Unfortunately, that's a temporal limitation we're going to have to bear. |
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Post by Less on May 12, 2014 4:08:27 GMT
Not necessarily, when has the law stopped a criminal from breaking it? On top of that, aproximately ANY video on youtube would be meta in the SS13 universe. Do you think the admins want to check each stereo every five minutes to see what the current link goes to? I'm not going to check every link if I'm not in the area, no. But I'll have a little faith that the people listening will adminhelp if there is a problem, like egregiously non-music video links, or spamming. If we nixed every item with potential for abuse, we'd be left with very little in the actual game. Griefers and chucklefucks will grief and chucklefuck. That's what we've got mods and admins for, and good in-game sec. |
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Post by Less on May 12, 2014 4:16:16 GMT
...I should add, we'd be left with very little in the actual game, and then people would figure out how to grief with what was left.
And then they'd spam the chat.
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Post by im8lol on May 12, 2014 4:32:57 GMT
...I should add, we'd be left with very little in the actual game, and then people would figure out how to grief with what was left. And then they'd spam the chat. Not having a stereo is not going to leave us with "very little in the actual game" and "lead to people griefing and spamming" lol That being said, I've got it half coded but it's late so I'll finish it in aprox. 14 hours, after going to sleep, waking up, going to work, and coming home. Just so it's available to put in the game if anyone decides a stereo is actually /THAT/ necessary that the world will collapse if you don't have it. But I still think it's the dumbest thing ever  <3 |
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Post by Less on May 12, 2014 4:59:05 GMT
...I should add, we'd be left with very little in the actual game, and then people would figure out how to grief with what was left. And then they'd spam the chat. Not having a stereo is not going to leave us with "very little in the actual game" and "lead to people griefing and spamming" lol That being said, I've got it half coded but it's late so I'll finish it in aprox. 14 hours, after going to sleep, waking up, going to work, and coming home. Just so it's available to put in the game if anyone decides a stereo is actually /THAT/ necessary that the world will collapse if you don't have it. But I still think it's the dumbest thing ever <3 You aren't reading everything I'm saying, and you're putting words in my mouth. I was continuing a thought from my previous post-- That is, if we removed everything in the game that has the potential for some form of abuse, there wouldn't be much left behind. But... cool? |
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Post by coolfoolftw on May 12, 2014 5:04:07 GMT
I got a idea, adjusting balaclavas so you can have them like hats or have them rolled down on your neck.
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Post by im8lol on May 12, 2014 5:22:42 GMT
Not having a stereo is not going to leave us with "very little in the actual game" and "lead to people griefing and spamming" lol That being said, I've got it half coded but it's late so I'll finish it in aprox. 14 hours, after going to sleep, waking up, going to work, and coming home. Just so it's available to put in the game if anyone decides a stereo is actually /THAT/ necessary that the world will collapse if you don't have it. But I still think it's the dumbest thing ever <3 You aren't reading everything I'm saying, and you're putting words in my mouth. I was continuing a thought from my previous post-- That is, if we removed everything in the game that has the potential for some form of abuse, there wouldn't be much left behind. But... cool? To the contrary amigo, I fully read what you say, and If you were reading what I post, or maybe just self aware of what your post? You would see that anything referring your word has been a direct quote of what you said in the referred to posts. Therefor not a single word has been put in your mouth, those all came from you. Maybe be more clear if its not what you mean to say. I guess from your last little comment though, you're not the least bit appreciative that I spent my time working on the stereo you ever so valiantly fought for, so I'll just toss it in the trash. Don't bother arguing that either, its not a debate, its a statement. I'm done with this thread so go and keep posting about this trying to justify yourself, even though I was already making you your stereo and you continued to beat a dead cat to try and avoid e-shame that might damage a certain superiority complex. Any further attempts you will make, and I know you will, to try and save your ego from deflating because you don't want to step out of the hole you dug yourself will be in vain. I'm out, have fun trying to get your ego back |
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Post by Skull132 on May 12, 2014 9:10:59 GMT
Alright. A few notes: First, as far as the stereo itself is concerned, my thoughts are as follows (note that they are by no means ultimate, but at some point something's got to be decided, huh?): The item itself, yes, I can see a purpose and a clear intent behind it, ergo, in my opinion, it would not be a useless little muguffin to be created. I can also see it requiring trust from the staff to be placed into the end-user, which, personally, I would be willing to do. Anyone abusing it, and posting links to what the hell ever would simply receive an un-negotiable ban for a few days -- done. Mechanics concerning, I think I can devise about one, potentially dirty, way of limiting it to Youtube only (force " www.youtube.com/ " to be written already, and get people to fetch whatever comes after that. If they paste a link from any other side, it'll be merge with the preset bit, and thus, broken). Further more, a limit of one link every n minutes, say n = 5, the length of an average song, attached to the object itself would negate most every opportunity to spam the thing. Both sides presented valid points, and with the fact that it would only add options, instead of removing them or adding something harmful towards what our community strives towards, I would side with adding it if the possibility still exists. And I would damn well appreciate it if this argument was to stop right now, as it has lost its purpose. If any side wishes to continue commenting, then contact myself regarding the matter. |
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Post by Covert0ddity on May 12, 2014 14:58:57 GMT
I agree with what Skull said. Forcing a YouTube link would probably work better then just relying on trust alone, as well as make it actually real. Ergo, an actual stereo, not some forum browsing machine. Im8, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. It's obvious you don't like the idea, but why code something you abhor? It just seems like you're pointlessly arguing for the sake of arguments. Less was just trying to say that the idea was valid, not that you had to like it.
In any case, Skull's got the right idea.
EDIT: Also! We should totally add Defibrillators. Unless they're already in the code. I've heard they are, but never actually seen one?
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Post by im8lol on May 12, 2014 17:59:47 GMT
but why code something you abhor? Well because he seemed to really want it so I did it to try and make him happy while I was messing about in the code anyway. I'm considering creating a very detailed set of tutorials on coding exclusively for any of Aurora's members who might be interested in learning how to do these things. |
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Post by Covert0ddity on May 12, 2014 18:06:42 GMT
Well because he seemed to really want it so I did it to try and make him happy while I was messing about in the code anyway. I'm considering creating a very detailed set of tutorials on coding exclusively for any of Aurora's members who might be interested in learning how to do these things. Mm... Understandable. I've always been interested in coding for Aurora, and for SS13 in general. I know C++ and Python, basic, and Dark Basic, with sprinkles of Java, so I don't believe NTSL will be TOO hard. In any case. Nah, Less was just trying to validate the idea of the stereo. Didn't actually pick sides, or really want it, from what I can devise. |
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Post by Mr. Majestic on May 14, 2014 21:10:50 GMT
From all dis, what I want to see most in the server is: Extended range of makeshift weapons, toy crate in cargo, balaclava to beanie action aaaaand a little addition to the idea banks: Bar Jukebox. Just to put a RP reason behind the midis. All it'll basically do is function as music selector (sends a message to the admins, "Bar juke box request: [midi name here]) where you select from a bunch of midis available. And also, it must light up while the music plays. Must. No question. Pretty jukebox is best jukebox.
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