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Post by VoltageHero on Apr 17, 2014 1:10:59 GMT
We're gaining a rather large player-base as of late, with 20-40 people on at a time. This is good and all, it helps people get more RP. As of late though, I've been noticing a few amount of griefers who come on, and just general bad RPers, with no intent to learn how to roleplay better. The people who have no idea on how to RP, but what to learn? Sure, let them stay. But, deny it all you want, there has been more griefers that has come with the larger playerbase.
To thin the playerbase, like Apollo did, we can host weekends where that the server was invisible. This would allow people who were generally interested in the server and roleplay in general, in the server, and keep people from seeing a server with a large number of people, and instantly jumping on, and ignoring the "Heavy RP" and rules.
We don't really need a server full of twenty people with the name of "HitlerDidNothingWrong" and "Umadbro", all with bald females who scream in all caps in the radio.
I'm sure somebody is going to reply, saying "you're just being elitist and hate new players, everything you say is invalid," and to that, I counter with "No," because as I stated, this isn't to keep away good players who want to roleplay, just griefers and general idiots who want to come on to fuck up the server for others.
Oh, and before somebody replies with, "if you're being griefed, ahelp it or just kill them", this won't always work. You'll have times when admins aren't online, or times where the person has the entire armory, or whatever, or as it happened once, both of the two formers, at the same time.
TL;DR: There is a reason the server is listed as "Heavy Roleplay", even though it seems some new people do not understand this, and just come on the server to be dicks. Weekends where the server was off the lists would help get good, new roleplayers in the server, and keep the player-base becoming 50+ people, all full of George Melons.
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Post by halorocks22 on Apr 17, 2014 1:29:09 GMT
i suprt dis+1
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Post by tuiee on Apr 17, 2014 1:30:43 GMT
I think I'd support this. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt to demo this one weekend.
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Post by witt on Apr 17, 2014 1:36:17 GMT
I do miss our off server weekends. +1
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Post by Covert0ddity on Apr 17, 2014 1:42:08 GMT
This has my 100% support.I'd even go as far as to make it the way old Apollo was. Only uninvisisble on Weekends. I beleieve we have a big enough playerbase to support invisisble weekdays.
That's my opinion though. There's nothing worse than when you're having an emotional love or sad or something RP moment and then a baldy comes and takes your head off, or welderbombs.
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Post by Skull132 on Apr 17, 2014 4:37:20 GMT
Let me just address this point by point... We're gaining a rather large player-base as of late, with 20-40 people on at a time. This is good and all, it helps people get more RP. As of late though, I've been noticing a few amount of griefers who come on, and just general bad RPers, with no intent to learn how to roleplay better. The people who have no idea on how to RP, but what to learn? Sure, let them stay. But, deny it all you want, there has been more griefers that has come with the larger playerbase. The prevalence of griefers is not exactly tied to what you're pointing out. Why do I say this? Remember the graytide situations we had when Aurora started with a skant 20 or so people? Yeah, those were a thing. Right now what we get is a griefer a day, or none a day. And they are usually dealt with. To thin the playerbase, like Apollo did, we can host weekends where that the server was invisible. This would allow people who were generally interested in the server and roleplay in general, in the server, and keep people from seeing a server with a large number of people, and instantly jumping on, and ignoring the "Heavy RP" and rules. Yes and no. This is a bad way of doing it, as it cuts off a feed of new players. Keep in mind that the majority of the 20-40 people you speak of joined because they saw us populated. The more effective way of doing it, which Chris is actively pursuing, is actually dealing with the people through admin channels. And that's being done. You'll have the occasional idiot every now and then, but I can bet you there's a note on his player panel regarding a talk they're meant to have, or have had. Once the moderator applications go through, we have more staff to deal with bad roleplay as well. Simple enough, more resources means more effective ways of handling it. We don't really need a server full of twenty people with the name of "HitlerDidNothingWrong" and "Umadbro", all with bald females who scream in all caps in the radio. You're bloating your point. Give me a picture of a crew manifest with what you just specified, and we can return to this point. Otherwise, I'm considering it mute. I'm sure somebody is going to reply, saying "you're just being elitist and hate new players, everything you say is invalid," and to that, I counter with "No," because as I stated, this isn't to keep away good players who want to roleplay, just griefers and general idiots who want to come on to fuck up the server for others. You're not elitist, but you're trying to make an issue where there is no issue. If you want a calm round to sit down, then we have those. Not as often, granted, but that's a positive thing: action means involvement means better enjoyment. Oh, and before somebody replies with, "if you're being griefed, ahelp it or just kill them", this won't always work. You'll have times when admins aren't online, or times where the person has the entire armory, or whatever, or as it happened once, both of the two formers, at the same time. Again, hopefully dealt with once the mod applications go through. TL;DR: There is a reason the server is listed as "Heavy Roleplay", even though it seems some new people do not understand this, and just come on the server to be dicks. Weekends where the server was off the lists would help get good, new roleplayers in the server, and keep the player-base becoming 50+ people, all full of George Melons. Backwards logic. WAY backwards logic. RP weekends back in the day barely had any attendance from the new players. Everyone who attended was a seasoned player, and we had a week of nearly nothing following them. Why? Because we had vanished, and people had found a way to substitute our server with another (read as: left). Granted, it may reinforce the attendance of people who aren't new, but aren't seasoned either, but I don't see this as something worth pursuing for the cost of loosing advertisement. And let's be honest, that's part of our business: we need to be out there, to remain known, and active.
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Post by farcry11 on Apr 17, 2014 5:18:10 GMT
Gotta say I agree with pretty much everything Skull said.
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Apr 17, 2014 5:26:54 GMT
I like to think that through the course of the server being up, we've banned about 70% of the griefers on SS13. Seriously, there's a lot of fucking perma IP bans on that list.
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Post by VoltageHero on Apr 17, 2014 11:42:42 GMT
About the manifest Skull, we had a user the other day named TheRealAdolfHitler who joined as Adolf Hitler, as a Chemist. We've had people join as George Melons too. So, no. It's not being bloated.
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Post by Skull132 on Apr 17, 2014 14:46:26 GMT
There's a very, VERY large difference between, A user the other day named TheRealAdolfHitler who joined as Adolf Hitler, as a Chemist, and, a server full of twenty people with the name of "HitlerDidNothingWrong" and "Umadbro", all with bald females who scream in all caps in the radio. I assume that such an idiot was handled by the admin staff once they were alerted. If none were available, then, again, new moderators will alleviate this issue.
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Post by sgtsammac on Apr 17, 2014 15:15:47 GMT
There's a very, VERY large difference between, A user the other day named TheRealAdolfHitler who joined as Adolf Hitler, as a Chemist, and, a server full of twenty people with the name of "HitlerDidNothingWrong" and "Umadbro", all with bald females who scream in all caps in the radio. I assume that such an idiot was handled by the admin staff once they were alerted. If none were available, then, again, new moderators will alleviate this issue. At the time of the "TheRealAdolfHitler" incident I was the only staff on as you had just gone to bed skull. I did my best to help them as they claimed they were new, but I had a bed calling me and also chucklefuckers.
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Post by VoltageHero on Apr 17, 2014 16:03:38 GMT
There's a very, VERY large difference between, A user the other day named TheRealAdolfHitler who joined as Adolf Hitler, as a Chemist, and, a server full of twenty people with the name of "HitlerDidNothingWrong" and "Umadbro", all with bald females who scream in all caps in the radio. I assume that such an idiot was handled by the admin staff once they were alerted. If none were available, then, again, new moderators will alleviate this issue. The Adolf Hitler was an example. A while back, an admin read through the keys of IP banned people, which ranged from "Poopshit" to "Cumdumpster". Just banning people isn't going to help anything. You're trying to say "mods will make sure good RPers are there", which is frankly untrue. People will keep flocking to the player base, and as many instances have shown, they completly neglect the rules. Adding more people won't help grow the playerbase for a community of role-players. A lot of instances happen Skull.
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Post by Skull132 on Apr 17, 2014 16:18:21 GMT
And just closing our doors will off us. That's my point: a single griefer, named whatever the fuck they set their mind to, is a lot better than a closed, stagnant, playerbase. Might I add that the latter point was our situation for a good number of months, we just now broke away from it in great stride. This is due to us being OPEN, and NOT closed.
My reasoning is very simple, and practical: potential losses over potential gains. From observed fact, and logical consideration, here are the gains: a calmer day or two, potentially more indepth RP. Losses: two high traffic days of advertisement, potential new players who joined less than 48 hours ago.
I can give this a test run, but I will not promise that we make this a regular thing. And I will flat out say that this will never become a weekly thing. If anything, it'll be once a month/once in two months, depending on what we observe during and after the test run.
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Apr 17, 2014 18:12:53 GMT
Really, it should only be for very special events that we'd want to run without fear of it being ruined by a grief party.
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Post by Leore on Apr 24, 2014 22:16:21 GMT
Really, it should only be for very special events that we'd want to run without fear of it being ruined by a grief party. I agree with Rusty. We had RP days before, they were great. I disagree with having RP weekends. The only times we had RP days was when events and such were planned for the entire day.
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Post by F_sphere on Apr 26, 2014 14:03:59 GMT
We did this in the early Aurora days (Skull remembers me making him stay up to set the server invisible ) and it worked okay, but it was just for 24 hours. Apollo also used to do this, and while it didn't hurt the playerbase, it didn't help either. Usually it was just 10 or so regulars showing up to a bunch of boring extended rounds, and generally it's not all that great.
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Apr 26, 2014 17:09:23 GMT
If someone really has their heart set on it, they should ask for a dedicated Event Day. We haven't had one of those in a while. But they'd need to compile a list of all events they would want to run first, not just one or two and be done with it.
Alternately, you could simply set the server to be invisible for a round or two.
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Post by deatacita on Apr 26, 2014 18:23:15 GMT
I support this, +1
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Post by moom241 on May 12, 2014 3:11:54 GMT
I'm not so sure. How would someone join on one of these weekends, if they wanted to join?
Is there a link somewhere that I missed on the forum?
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Post by Less on May 12, 2014 4:19:58 GMT
Yep! Right at the top of the forums list. You can also save that link directly into byond.
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