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Post by jackboot on Jun 29, 2014 19:35:09 GMT
I dunno, maybe I'm alone in thinking calling someone a victim of their mother's rape is a bit of an overreaction to a mom joke? He refused to apologize when people said it wasn't funny, then justified it by putting the blame one me for making a mom joke. i.imgur.com/XDCxiEJ.png(Highlighted the relevant OOC because there's a lot of IC stuff here) i.imgur.com/r3IN4CW.png
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Post by gollee on Jun 29, 2014 19:49:58 GMT
Agreeing with you here, this is unacceptable, really, especially the fact that he refused to apologise, what did you say to make him say this?
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Post by jackboot on Jun 29, 2014 20:01:46 GMT
That single mom joke, apparently. There was nothing like this going on before I made the "ur mum's evicted" comment.
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Post by deatacita on Jun 30, 2014 0:16:58 GMT
I am...Highly disappointed in this. As a victim of sexual assault I find this highly disturbing and uncomfortable. I'll talk to him, i thought he was better than this.
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Post by nursiekitty on Jun 30, 2014 3:19:40 GMT
I'm seconding this. That was disgusting and I really don't expect that from someone in a position of power.
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Post by Mewoykyinuis on Jun 30, 2014 3:24:57 GMT
That being said, perhaps the same needs to be said to Rusty.
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Post by deatacita on Jun 30, 2014 3:27:40 GMT
I've complained about Rusty a number of times.
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Post by bluesp34r on Jun 30, 2014 4:08:58 GMT
Just as a notice, Majestic is just an iconner/spriter...
But yeah. I'll talk to him.
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Post by Mr. Majestic on Jun 30, 2014 17:13:54 GMT
Woah. Woah. Woah.
Woah.
Okay. I didn't want to part with this. But I never take mom jokes directed towards me well. At all. Anyone who can recall a mom joke directed towards me should remember I usually retaliate immediately and on occasions aggresively. This is because my mom (firstly being my mom, a big person in my life and someone I love dearly) is and has been suffering from a mental condition that is kinda like random amnesia. Due to my own personal reasons I don't to expand on this. Don't ask me to.
But now this thing in my life makes any proper interaction with the woman that brought me into this world something very rare and very cherished, meaning that I am kind of sensitive of anything brought up about her, especially a mom joke directed towards me specifically (I can deal with ones just thrown out there, but if you target my mom... I will react). Now I have taken it upon myself to hide this as much as possible and not let it affect anything external in my life (which has succeeded for a long, long time).
But now I'm going to get off this topic and hope it doesn't get brought up on this thread or in any other way again- And I'm going to address the situation this thread is focusing on.
This day I was quite ticked off, not so much that it became obvious but ticked off none the less (I am human, it happens) and I was stressing about a operation my mom was scheduled for that occurs in about a week (If it goes wrong she either goes brain dead or dead dead), so I apologize for my aggressive retaliation. I wont expect anyone to understand or anything and if this ban is carried through I'll have to deal with it.
That is all.
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Post by frances on Jun 30, 2014 19:12:15 GMT
From your post, I hope that you would understand exactly, given the circumstances, what the issue with rape jokes are. (Let me give you a hint: it is the same). Rape jokes are something that I'm generally against. Mom jokes are not. The reason for this is that there are far more people that have an issue with the joking mention of rape, than there are that have one with the joking mention of mothers. Now, I think that all these jokes (rape jokes, race jokes, dark humor - although rape jokes are generally damn distasteful) can have a place among a friendgroup where you know nobody has an issue with them, but they're not something you do in public, because you don't know if someone will take offense to them, and it's pretty likely. How I prefer to deal with this is, I don't make any of these jokes when I don't know how the person will react. I have a dark sense of humor, but I don't try to bring it out unless I know it will be accepted. Additionally, I've had some run-ins in the past with some people over broaching topics which they found offensive, and here is the most important part of this, and something that I believe everyone should learn from, both Majestic and the other people involved in this conflict: You can't always know when something you do will hurt someone. Sometimes it's predictable, in which case common sense asks you not to do it. But if you can't reasonably predict it, and it happens, it's okay. Yes, you've still hurt the person. No, it's not your fault, and yes, you should still try to do something to make them better (because we're not assholes). And once you know that topic isn't one they like having joked about, you don't joke about it with them anymore. The end. As for Maj, I'm sorry you had a shitty day. I'm sorry that someone said something that upset you, and honestly, it makes me really sad to think about. While you might be hurt, frustrated, and angered, I would still like you to remember that this person most likely did not mean to offend you. Thus, something really important you need to do, when situations like these happen, is to tell them you have an issue with what they said. Communication is key. This is an unfortunate situation, in which I believe nobody had malicious feelings, but it devolved into something bad because nobody took the time to actually talk about it. Your responsibility, when something like this happens, is to explain your feelings towards it plainly and clearly, to make sure incident reports like these don't end up in the complaints forum. Also, I don't believe anyone said anything about a ban.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jun 30, 2014 22:18:28 GMT
Yeah, man, this is the complaints section.
You don't barge into your bosses office while someone is complaining about you, screaming 'YOU CANT FIRE ME, ILL SHOOT YOU FIRST'
And the proceed to get into a massive gun fight, which you are injured by a well placed buckshot, and are forced to stave your intestines from falling out with your own hand, limping away as the sirens blare and you realize how worthless your life was....
So, yeah. Don't do that.
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Post by Rusty Shackleford on Jun 30, 2014 22:22:10 GMT
That being said, perhaps the same needs to be said to Rusty. I've complained about Rusty a number of times. Hey, the hentai tentacle thing is my gimmick. I'm not to blame when someone overdoes it when taking offense to something and then starts spewing about rape. I do it in a way that's at the very least mildly humorous.
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Post by Mr. Majestic on Jun 30, 2014 23:48:59 GMT
I hinted to the ban fact because in game Skull came to be and said something along the lines of "Majestic. Do we need a word about the ban request against you?" This obviously shocked me and he just passed on a link. I didn't realise it was in the complaints section and not the ban requests section until long after.
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Post by nikolaithebeast on Jul 1, 2014 0:06:04 GMT
Hey, the hentai tentacle thing is my gimmick. I'm not to blame when someone overdoes it when taking offense to something and then starts spewing about rape. I do it in a way that's at the very least mildly humorous. Your words, not mine, dear rusty.
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Post by bluesp34r on Jul 1, 2014 0:27:37 GMT
Guys.
This is about Majestic, not Rusty.
Either way, he apologized, so don't you think it's time to bury the hatchet here?
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Post by VoltageHero on Jul 1, 2014 6:35:16 GMT
I'm not sure if my words are any good here, but I'll speak.
People react differently to different jokes, and this is something that everybody should understand. Some people will laugh off any joke you give out to them, while other people will, as we've seen two cases of, react poorly.
It's hard to know what will offend one person, and not the next, and since this is the internet, we don't know much about each other. This said though, rape is generally something you don't joke about offline /and/ online.
What I personally didn't like, was the fact that Majestic tried to justify it after it had been done. I understand, maybe you acted rashly because of your bad day, and posted something you didn't entirely mean to. If somebody tells you, that you've said something that they didn't like, especially something that is a touchy subject like rape, don't try to come off and say that you can do it, because they offended you. Put your hands up, take a step back, and reply, "Sorry, my bad,".
This entire conflict would have been easily resolved if Majestic didn't reply with, quote "It's wot you gon get, son. You gimme a bad insult I'll give you a bad reaction" end quote.
Instead, replying with something along the lines of, "Sorry about that. I wasn't thinking on that one. I just don't like "your momma" jokes, so I kinda lashed out there. Sorry, guys," would have calmed everybody down, and would have kept this complaint from coming around. Not to be rude Majestic, but nobody could have known you would be offended by the joke, but you could have seen what you were saying was going to offend at least somebody.
This is just my two cents. It probably doesn't say much more than what everybody else did, but still.
TL;DR: If somebody is offended by what you say, trying to justifying it won't make you look good.
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Post by gollee on Jul 1, 2014 15:28:14 GMT
Agreeing with Voltage, about both sides, the internet has a large amount of room for interpretation, and we all need to remember that when it comes to joking around, as some people may take it more seriously than others.
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Post by King George VI on Jul 1, 2014 18:54:40 GMT
As a non-staff, I had my OOC muted for simply making a comment on the SWAT teams no-knock raids in America for the reason of it being 'distateful, out of context, etc.'
Then this happens?
I can understand, I have a very dark humour, I joke about horrible things but as Frances said, you don't just say those things where everyone can see. It's like walking into a holocaust memorial and dropping Jew jokes. Something you don't do, right? Or maybe screaming bomb on a plane going through turbulence.
Just, watch your comments man. We all make mistakes and I can respect that. I can respect you were stressed out. The thing that really bothers me is that the other administrator's didn't do anything about it.
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Post by frances on Jul 1, 2014 19:22:28 GMT
As a non-staff, I had my OOC muted for simply making a comment on the SWAT teams no-knock raids in America for the reason of it being 'distateful, out of context, etc.' Then this happens? I can understand, I have a very dark humour, I joke about horrible things but as Frances said, you don't just say those things where everyone can see. It's like walking into a holocaust memorial and dropping Jew jokes. Something you don't do, right? Or maybe screaming bomb on a plane going through turbulence. Just, watch your comments man. We all make mistakes and I can respect that. I can respect you were stressed out. The thing that really bothers me is that the other administrator's didn't do anything about it. While I was not paying attention to the server at the time, I agree that this is the kind of situation in which I would've intervened, had I seen it. However, while I can't answer for the rest of staff, if I'm logged in but not looking at the game, and nobody adminhelps about a game issue, there is very little I can do.
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Post by Dalekfodder on Jul 1, 2014 21:34:54 GMT
Oke tbh I understand all your concerns but... Why so serious?
People keep telling me to take things not so seriously both IRL and net but everytime things are being taken seriously...
I mean, what, someone made a joke about on the net and it's the internet, it's made so people can say shitty shit about shit. No offence meant just sayin' that you need to ignore these kind of people instead of complaining it saves everyone trouble.
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