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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 7:25:44 GMT
So, lately. Server population's been rising. Server quality's been tanking. It was suggested that instead of whining, we start up a list of People Who Suck and start pruning them out, and I had kind of an idea. So, without further ado, welcome to the Grand Chucklefuck Thread. For those bland, push-button-kill-person rp-less antags. For the braindead security officers. For the plasma-huffing space freaks in science that only use the place to get guns to wave. You get the idea. Post people who shit up the server. Post proof. There are honestly too many to reasonably make individual threads for. Their actions may be so minor that they don't warrant their own thread, and may not warrant a ban maybe. What matters is that they are /bad./ If the player detracts from the overall quality of the server, either through poor RP, excessive powergaming, or, I don't know, an extremely poor OOC attitude (haven't seen this one yet, thank goodness.), it's probably safe to post them here. So. Post and bring proof. Screenshots or logs with the time of the event. Admins advised to ban or talk to the person at your discretion. Talking or getting rid of borderline people is hard. Sometimes they mean well. You can use us fun-hating scumbags who post in this thread as an excuse to initiate conversation. And, of course, if you see yourself in this thread and you wish to defend yourself, do so. This is kind of an informal ban request thread, so anything without concrete evidence is suspect. First up is this guy here. i.imgur.com/aT419MM.pngHe happens to catch a traitor! But wait. i.imgur.com/x4OOJ9o.pngThe traitor tried to arrest him because he was parading in riot gear and had the entire contents of the armoury in his backpack. I saw him pull like three separate guns, and he opened fire on civilians at some point. Set to stun, but opened fire nonetheless. Saw him being awful on several previous rounds, too. I think he subverted (Or metabuddied) the AI as a nonantag or something, but that's not concrete evidence and shouldn't be regarded too heavily. Prrrobably warrants a ban at this point.
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Post by Skull132 on Aug 15, 2014 7:30:10 GMT
I would expect staff on the server to handle this case as it popped up, so I don't need to drag my arse back home from work, go scrounging up some logs to locate his ckey, key him into a braindead mob and then ban him, at which point an IP ban and a computer ID ban will be circumvented unless I get really bothered, right?
If not, he won't be turning up here once I get back home.
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 7:32:32 GMT
i.imgur.com/KOFuxT5.pngMm. Part twoooo, from the same round. Honestly, I felt kind of bad for this one. i.imgur.com/5AlwQxR.pngI mean. It killed me laughing, but. That's only because he was so awful and got exactly what he deserved under five minutes after teleporting onto the station. Edit: This one seems(!) reasonably intelligent, but is probably new and doesn't understand exactly what heavy RP is about, seeing as he attacked like three people and then died without saying a word. Final call is up to you. Edit edit: He was talked to. Doon't know what that's worth. To speak in his favor, he at least didn't kill anyone and made an effort to communicate, but people were breaking in because, well, he kidnapped the detective for trying to arrest him because he was in full riot gear and had the entire armoury in his backpack. So I'm not sure how that reflects on him.
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Post by Skull132 on Aug 15, 2014 7:36:52 GMT
Oh, hey! A ckey attached!
Are there really no mods/admins on right now, Duck?
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Post by Skull132 on Aug 15, 2014 7:42:39 GMT
As a note, the Warden should at the bare minimum receive a jobban from all of sec. Provided he stuck around and listened to staff.
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Post by halorocks22 on Aug 15, 2014 7:47:34 GMT
I would expect staff on the server to handle this case as it popped up, so I don't need to drag my arse back home from work, go scrounging up some logs to locate his ckey, key him into a braindead mob and then ban him, at which point an IP ban and a computer ID ban will be circumvented unless I get really bothered, right?If not, he won't be turning up here once I get back home. As for me not taking action against this guy, I was persuaded into believing his actions were "mostly justifiable" and also because I was worried that I might've been biased because that traitor was well, me. Also, I'd like to point out a certain lovely admin (Lessick) did have a talking-to with him and even though I was itching to give him a job ban I decided against it for above reasons. EDIT: People didn't even know I was traitor, by the way. The Warden only found out after he found an emag in my backpack and he was later reminded that I was an antag when I sunk my vampire fangs into his neck (I was traitor vampire, don't ask). When he "arrested" me, he only did it because I was trying to stop him for breaking protocol. He didn't know I was Trampire but later he used this knowledge as leverage against me.
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Post by Skull132 on Aug 15, 2014 7:52:54 GMT
As for me not taking action against this guy, I was persuaded into believing his actions were "mostly justifiable" and because I was worried that I might've been biased because that traitor was well, me. Also, I'd like to point out a certain lovely admin (Lessick) did have a talking-to with him and even though I was itching to give him a job ban I decided against it for above reasons. Here's one of two things a job ban does: if they want it lifted, they're going to have make an unban appeal, which is a few ticks higher on the thought required scale than just nodding and saying, "Yes, yes, yes, of course," only slightly, though. The alternate result is they leave or don't play sec ever again. Either or, I wouldn't be fussed and would simply execute to ensure in the fact that this does not happen again, and to drive in the point of, "You done fucked up, find the fault and present it to us." But, backseat modding is in effect, so I'll defer final judgement.
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 7:53:53 GMT
There are, buuuuut. I feel like this is the kind of thing that should be handled over the forums.
It's exceptionally hard to act when they're right there, and I feel a thread like this is kind of necessary, so I'm getting the ball rolling.
Griefers have never killed a server. It's always the borderliners that toe the rules and kind of slowly make life miserable for everyone else, you know. And they're hard to get rid of because they tend to be 1) unaware, and 2) extremely fond of justifying their actions. Plus, no-one ever makes ban requests for them since they're careful to technically never break any rules. It's much harder to weasel over the forums, and there are permanent public records of their actions. Plus, if they see themselves here and kind of realize what they're doing wrong, then that's a turn for the better, I hope? It's not the most elegant solution, but the best one I can come up with at 4 AM.
Edit: Geez, these forums move fast sometimes. There are admins on, but*
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Post by halorocks22 on Aug 15, 2014 7:59:55 GMT
As for me not taking action against this guy, I was persuaded into believing his actions were "mostly justifiable" and because I was worried that I might've been biased because that traitor was well, me. Also, I'd like to point out a certain lovely admin (Lessick) did have a talking-to with him and even though I was itching to give him a job ban I decided against it for above reasons. Here's one of two things a job ban does: if they want it lifted, they're going to have make an unban appeal, which is a few ticks higher on the thought required scale than just nodding and saying, "Yes, yes, yes, of course," only slightly, though. The alternate result is they leave or don't play sec ever again. Either or, I wouldn't be fussed and would simply execute to ensure in the fact that this does not happen again, and to drive in the point of, "You done fucked up, find the fault and present it to us." But, backseat modding is in effect, so I'll defer final judgement. Like I said, at the time given the circumstances I was reluctant to punish him because I was his "victim", so to say, and I wanted to avoid bias. After Lessick talked to him, it seemed that was enough but I understand that I should be more proactive and I'll be more efficient with how I deal with situations like this in the future.
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Chaznoodles
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Post by Chaznoodles on Aug 15, 2014 8:50:45 GMT
Rather than calling people chucklefucks and embarassing them in front of the community if they are actually intent on roleplaying but made a mistake or are new, make a ban request. That's what it's there for.
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Mikalhvi
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Post by Mikalhvi on Aug 15, 2014 14:03:14 GMT
Rather than calling people chucklefucks and embarassing them in front of the community if they are actually intent on roleplaying but made a mistake or are new, make a ban request. That's what it's there for. People tend to get super-hyper butthurt (and grief as a result) when the word ban is involved though. Besides - for the people who intend to stay, if being a "chucklefuck" temporarily is so offensive, then they're really going to hate it here. This is the station where pregnant women get their midsections stomped on, where the crew regularly attempts to drink themselves to death and some surgeons do their work without anesthesia. NSS Aurora is NOT a happy, friendly place. But that's what makes it so fun to play. [Sent via Tapatalk on a Samsung Galaxy SIII while user was lost in deep space]
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 18:41:19 GMT
I admit? This seemed like a much, much better idea at 4 AM. Still, changing thread name taken under advisement. This is for stuff that doesn't individually warrant a ban.
No one's going to make a ban for most of this stuff because it's too petty and too little by just barely, but there's a ton of it and it's not going to go away unless something's done. Bad behavior then passes on as 'acceptable standards' to new people and things keep dropping from there.
Because honestly, there's nothing inherently bad about ganks and taking the entire armoury. It's just light RP stuff. And I'm from a light RP server originally. No shame in it. Most of the SS13 community play the game this way. But. It's not heavy RP, and that's what this server is. When newbies see this kind of stuff, they won't often think 'Wow, this RP is kind of terrible.' They'll think 'So heavy RP is just a really pretentious title' and play like they do everywhere else. Which dilutes the environment, drags us down, etc etc.
To maintain the heavy RP environment, the staff has to enforce standards as well as rules, which is why I would never, ever want to be an admin here. Telling people they're terrible is pretty rough. And booting them out on top of that. It's difficult, and the only kind of person that belongs in the admin position will never do this lightly. Understanding is, after all, the biggest part of being an admin.
That's why I'm trying to open this up to the players. Because we tend to be spiteful, nitpicky, callous and cruel on the best of days. And, because we don't actually have to pull the trigger and ban anyone, we feel entitled to whine constantly and push for bans. I'm kind of counting on players being awful to give admins a nudge. I won't say it's a nudge in the right direction, but it's a nudge in a kind of necessary direction if we're staying as a heavy RP server.
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Post by bluesp34r on Aug 15, 2014 20:59:57 GMT
A ban request does not necessarily mean that person is getting banned. The purpose of ban requests is, to my knowledge, to post something regarding a person's behavior in the absence of a mod or admin to properly handle them in game.
Also, we have character complaint forums. You could have posted a complaint about that guy you listed above, and it would have been valid. We have banned people for chucklefucking in the past, and we can give this guy a talking to if he doesn't understand what Heavy RP means. Most people, when not able to complain or seek action against someone outside of an ahelp, will just bottle up their anger and throw it away rather than posting a thread about it, you are correct. But what I'm thinking is, if they won't be able to post it on their own thread for whatever reason, how could they post it here?
As for maintaining the Heavy RP environment, we try to limit the amount of chucklefucks and griefers as we can. But you know, some people just aren't on the same exact page with it, yet we can't step on their toes too much. Most of the people who do this though, are new. So we give them some time and some exposure to the rest of the server so they can get a better idea of how it works. If they do something that outright chucklefuck or griff, we can stop it. I don't foresee us ever not being Heavy RP anytime soon.
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Post by frances on Aug 15, 2014 22:10:49 GMT
This might be a matter of personal preference, but I would much rather see individual threads made for each offending player, no matter how minor the issue and no matter how many of them there are, than have everything shoved into a single thread where we can't really be sure if issues have been handled or not.
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Post by duck on Aug 15, 2014 23:43:32 GMT
Fair, fair! This is probably not one of my better 4 AM ideas. Free to delete if you'd rather not deal with it. Or if you leave it I'll just slowly add to it once I get out of my coding coma.
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Post by Less on Aug 15, 2014 23:59:17 GMT
This thread is making me see red. This is exactly why we have a player complaints forum, and not -just- one for ban requests.
I agree with Frances. We should take things on a case by case basis and make individual threads for people, regardless of if it means having a lot of threads at once.
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Post by Skull132 on Aug 16, 2014 17:07:55 GMT
Locking, archiving.
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